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Guilty till proven innocent is what various party want!
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God has the whole OCN world turned to political unrest?

I certainly hope so. I want more educated, angry, tech-savvy people involved in politics.

At any rate, Mega's "encrypt up, decrypt down, our hands off" should make this quite a legal arena, especially when an overzealous court demands keys that Mega can't give.
    
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I certainly hope so. I want more educated, angry, tech-savvy people involved in politics.
At any rate, Mega's "encrypt up, decrypt down, our hands off" should make this quite a legal arena, especially when an overzealous court demands keys that Mega can't give.

Amen
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I certainly hope so. I want more educated, angry, tech-savvy people involved in politics.
At any rate, Mega's "encrypt up, decrypt down, our hands off" should make this quite a legal arena, especially when an overzealous court demands keys that Mega can't give.

I think they are going to have to declare it private storage and require warrants to seize the keys from the user...though the user could then plead the 5th. Which is probably why the prosecution are pulling any trick they can think of right now. If Kim Dotcom gets away know they will never get him again...or any naughty user's of the new service if it is allowed to be started.

Though even if a user refuses to give the key they could pull a deal like with DUIs...you can refuse the test, but you are considered guilty if you do. US law...I swear...I don't think many people realize just how messed up it is. I am so desperately hoping that we do get some educated, angry, tech-savvy people involved in politics as well and they actually make NEW laws that only apply to new issues. We can't just use laws and precedence created fifty or more years ago to cover anything in the "digital age". Sometimes if you tilt your head a bit you can see how something could be applied, but we should have new legislation that specifically applies with out much left to interpretation (though there should always be some interpretation involved...but lately judges have been forced to REALLY get creative).
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Though even if a user refuses to give the key they could pull a deal like with DUIs...you can refuse the test, but you are considered guilty if you do.

No sir, they cannot. In my state and I believe in all others, compliance with DUI testing is a condition of holding a state driver's license; for the privilege to drive on our roads, you agree to comply with our DUI tests and failure to do so is a breach of contract between you and the state that happens to be a criminal offense. I don't believe any state allows its law enforcement to arrest for failure to comply with a DUI test issued for the sake of issuance - the officer(s) must have reasonable suspicion to believe the offender is in control of a vehicle.

My understanding of Dotcom's encryption plan was that even the downloader does not have a key (the act of downloading itself creates the key). Same concept as deniable encryption.

I don't suspect we'll see any significant change in legislative demographic for another, oh, 10-20 years. In my mid-20's I'm the earliest of those born in the modern tech era where even laymen understand general concepts. One of the biggest problems right now is that certain things like the "cloud" are so horrendously misunderstood even by supposed experts. I deal with this every single time I deal with my company's "tech support" (put in quotation marks for a damned reason...), we see it all the time online, and even on OCN we have so much confusion (some honest, some intentionally so as not to expose one's self as not knowing) over things as well-researched as thermodynamics and display technology.

We're part of the bleeding edge, but it's by no means a perfect edge.
    
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We need someone to create another internet with the servers not in the US. They think they have the power do what they want and it sickens me. Every single tech news article I read, the government is removing more and more rights. It is not extreme right now, but it will be in the future.........
Wait what did you just say? Do you mean passworded international server or something (or something similar to the TOR network) because there are already many many many server that are not in the U.S and it would be very naive to believe anything else.
    
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It's not.
Your essential liberties are not freedoms and should never be considered freedoms because they're not...They are 2 VERY different ideals and need to stay that way.
The cloud is a freedom that you choose whether to use or not. It's not essential for our freedom. It's not essential to survive...It's merely an amenity.
The internet is a freedom, again, that you pay for and choose whether to use or not. It's not essential for your freedoms, it's not essential to survive...It's merely a tool.
What's occurring on the back-end of these databases is a violation of your essential liberties AND freedoms because it's a blatant violation against our nation and against your nation, against everyone. (Notice, I didn't bastardize a quote or take it out of context)
Their access allows the free trade of illegal data, including bombs, nuclear facility information, you'd be very surprised how creative these people actually are.
The irony is that all of you stand against this because you feel that an amenity is a requirement to live and their sanctioning/governing that amenity is a violation of your essential liberties...It's NOT...It's a necessity to ensure that lives (yours and mine) are protected...However, when SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN...Everyone immediately blames the Gov't when they tried to patrol the amenity in the first place...rolleyes.gif
Bottom line: You don't have to use the cloud, it's not essential for your survival but, it is being used for acts of terrorism...IMO, all data on the cloud (And this is coming from an admin) is free-reign...
Actually there are many countries in the world were it is a legal liberty and many others were they are attempting to make it one, the US included I believe.
    
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What constitution? You mean that old piece of paper that hasnt been relevant to anything to government has done in over a decade?

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So you lose your property rights to data if it is moved off your computer?
Shouldn't that invalidate every copywrite claim made by the MPAA/RIAA? I can't see it working both ways...

This is an interesting point..
unfortunately logical interesting points is not something the MPAA/RIAA are usually known to follow or come up with.

The Government and the Law are not interested in something so pointlessly idiotic as 'logic'.
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So you lose your property rights to data if it is moved off your computer?
Shouldn't that invalidate every copywrite claim made by the MPAA/RIAA? I can't see it working both ways...

This is an interesting point..
unfortunately logical interesting points is not something the MPAA/RIAA are usually known to follow or come up with.

The Government and the Law are not interested in something so pointlessly idiotic as 'logic'.

Actually, now that I think about it, one of reasons Law is what it is is because it's easier than applying logic in every situation. With a law, you don't have to think about what you're doing, just hit someone with the book.
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