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I see several build suggestions above that include a common practice of "boot/app drive" and "storage drive." This drive configuration is only advantageous to those who understand how to utilize it correctly, and are willing to maintain it. This is a machine being built for someone who is more than likely NOT a computer enthusiast level user. Such a build suggestion is reckless and does not take into consideration the needs of the end user very well. Worse, is the reality that for the price of buying both a ~60GB SSD, AND a mechy, a single SSD large enough to cover the needs of the system could be implemented instead.

~60GB SSDs are also a terrible value these days. The $/GB is absolutely in the trash compared to 120-256GB options.

Either get an SSD large enough for the system as a whole, or skip it. For this build, a dual drive approach will lead to tension between the builder and the user in the long run.
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I see several build suggestions above that include a common practice of "boot/app drive" and "storage drive." This drive configuration is only advantageous to those who understand how to utilize it correctly, and are willing to maintain it. This is a machine being built for someone who is more than likely NOT a computer enthusiast level user. Such a build suggestion is reckless and does not take into consideration the needs of the end user very well. Worse, is the reality that for the price of buying both a ~60GB SSD, AND a mechy, a single SSD large enough to cover the needs of the system could be implemented instead.
~60GB SSDs are also a terrible value these days. The $/GB is absolutely in the trash compared to 120-256GB options.
Either get an SSD large enough for the system as a whole, or skip it. For this build, a dual drive approach will lead to tension between the builder and the user in the long run.

A smart system builder can remap everywhere the user saves data. It is easy and so nobody has to maintain the SSD.
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Just my take on it: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mWzW

Space for peripherals, an OS, and other things. Should be fine for a workstation.
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500$ build remap a little
PCPartPicker part list

CPU: AMD A8-5600K 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($104.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75 Pro4-M Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($67.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Western Digital RE2 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.88 @ Compuvest)

Storage: Samsung 830 Series 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($59.00 @ B&H)

Case: Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($21.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($89.99 @ CompUSA)

Keyboard: Gigabyte GK-KM5200 Wired Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($12.99 @ Amazon)
Base Total: $511.80
Mail-in Rebates: -$20.00
Total: $491.80
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by Matt-Matt View Post

Why not get 8GB and let the HD4000 have the extra RAM? I'd suggest an i3 also as here CPU performance is more important. That and Intels low end boards are usually better quality, I'd suggest a 128GB SSD over a 1TB HDD simply because 1TB isn't needed in an enterprise environment and the SSD is leaps and bounds faster while only costing a tad more.

you dont need more than 4gb to run Office ... or Peachtree or Quickbooks or any other business program

about the SSD . well i prefer in this case , being a business computer (assuming for light tasks , no renders or anything like that) if there is a SSD cheaper than that HDD and decent space . put it in , if not , get the HDD because he wont notice it once the computer is on , and for someone who doesnt know anything about computers . a "One Terrabyte of storage" sounds better than ..."60gigabytes of storage

i build computers to home and small business on my spare time in Puerto Rico smile.gif
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you dont need more than 4gb to run Office ... or Peachtree or Quickbooks or any other business program
about the SSD . well i prefer in this case , being a business computer (assuming for light tasks , no renders or anything like that) if there is a SSD cheaper than that HDD and decent space . put it in , if not , get the HDD because he wont notice it once the computer is on , and for someone who doesnt know anything about computers . a "One Terrabyte of storage" sounds better than ..."60gigabytes of storage
i build computers to home and small business on my spare time in Puerto Rico smile.gif

I was just thinking 8GB because you can and it's cheap..
Yeah but we see "Flash Storage" marketed more and more, I know "1000 Gigabytes" sounds *better* but it's just not. They'll see the difference of login or any tasks usually. It's also quieter if that is a factor to take into consideration and they're also more durable too.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($123.20 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($149.00 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $551.16
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-09 06:57 EST-0500)

I left the operating system out as I wasn't too sure your friend would want Windows 8.
Edited by StayFrosty - 11/9/12 at 3:58am
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($123.20 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($149.00 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $551.16
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-09 06:57 EST-0500)
I left the operating system out as I wasn't too sure your friend would want Windows 8.

Really? You spend 100 on the case? And spent that much on a SSD when you could get a 500GB HDD for less than 50?
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Why not get 8GB and let the HD4000 have the extra RAM? I'd suggest an i3 also as here CPU performance is more important. That and Intels low end boards are usually better quality, I'd suggest a 128GB SSD over a 1TB HDD simply because 1TB isn't needed in an enterprise environment and the SSD is leaps and bounds faster while only costing a tad more.

Actually an office environment does not need a good CPU, most office applications take advantage of GPU acceleration and an APU would be much better. A SSD and A HDD should be added for optimal performance. Not one of the other.... rolleyes.gif

Here is a very small ITX build with OS included
ITX build (Click to show)
PCPartPicker part list

CPU: AMD A8-5600K 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Momentus 750GB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.88 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ CompUSA)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M-ITX FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX AMD Motherboard ($96.97)
Case/PSU: M350 Case Enclosure with picoPSU-150-XT and 150W adapter kit ($102.00)
Other: Second HDD Mount ($1.95)
Total: $588.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-09 10:15 EST-0500)

Edited by Ironman517 - 11/9/12 at 7:19am
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The 65W TDP A10-5700 on FM2 presents one of the most power efficient and balanced platforms for this scenario. Ironman517 is right as CPU performance is generally not important. GPU performance is, however, growing in importance as more and more functions in office and other apps are jumping on board the GPU acceleration bandwagon, for increased power efficiency.  The A10-5700 has lower idle power consumption than the A10-5800k and Intel processors on LGA1155. I don't expect this to be far above idle that often. The A10-5700 is so superior for this situation that a comparison should not be necessary.

 

I fully support Ironman517's idea, although I would take on the A10-5700 or A8-5500 (65W TDP quad core APUs) for improved power efficiency. A mini-box seems innovative and just right. Just the only thing I can't be sure about is whether an AMD stock cooler would fit that, hm. However, there are other Mini ITX case choices.

 

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More than 4GB is completely unnecessary for the overwhelming majority of modern PC users - this can include gamers. I only bother suggesting 8GB when the extra $5-10 can't be used on anything else more useful in a suggestion or if there are apps like video editing or certain (but few) games like BF3 that might use more than 4GB.


Edited by xd_1771 - 11/9/12 at 12:19pm
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