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post #11 of 21
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Also I'm pretty sure my warranty is not valid after 5+ years
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Depending how complaint prone your neighbours are obviously. Low frequencies are what bother neighbours usually the most, since they retain more energy while traveling through walls and thus are the most audible (unless your walls are really thin, then higher frequencies will bother too). That being said, even though 5" and 8" monitors are quite full-range-ish, they aren't exactly meant to extend beyond 50-80Hz as they're meant to be coupled with a subwoofer when the application requires one (like movies and games, for instance). You'll always benefit from a separate subwoofer with bookshelf speakers. Your current subwoofer might be only 5.25", but it's also tuned to resonate at a lower frequency so it might actually be more annoying to your neighbour than a pair of 5" monitors. The speakers shouldn't really annoy your neighbours any more than your present set, if you use them equally loud. I would be concerned when you get a 10-12" subwoofer though.

But yeah, expect it to cost a sweet deal more if you want to get higher clarity in the mid and high-ranges in the form of actual speakers, but also want the bass-department to dislocate your jaw. It's going to be about few hundred quids for a sub too.

Then again, when I first got my 8" studio monitors I was like holy crap I'll never need a subwoofer, because I had gotten used to a set of 3" actives in the form of AudioEngine 2 clones, and a 8" subwoofer. But then I got a subwoofer later for the 8" monitors too biggrin.gif Hunger grows while you're eating with these things, so you can either settle with some satellite set that's easy to position and set up, or bigger heavier speakers that you might enjoy a lot that are also going to cost a good deal in the longer run. I bet you'll like them anyway, it's more of a question of principle do you want to seek high fidelity or just want a replacement for your current speakers (I don't feel like I'm helping you at all contradicting myself in every other sentence tbh biggrin.gif)
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If you are a true audiophile then your only option is to save more than $2-300, preferably starting at a minimum of $1000, and start looking at receivers and speakers. If you're looking at that price range ($2-300) and want audiophile sound then you need to only look at quality headphones, soundcard, and possibly a dac. Speaker sets labled specifically for pc use aren't going to be audiophile quality. If you can wait and save money, you can find and buy quality used equipment and be MUCH happier.
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If you are a true audiophile
That's a silly prerequisite. I consider myself an audio enthusiast yet my both pairs of monitors and headphones cost me under $300 (M-Audio BX5a D2 and Behringer B3031A, AKG K272 HD, Sony XB-500). Price doesn't equal to better quality (although they do usually correlate on the general scale) or a more valid status of "audiophilia".

OP can very well get a pair of $200 active monitors, ditch the necessity of a receiver and save $200-300 (although receivers do contain the DAC and amplification in the same device, eliminating ground loop hums and RFI induction quite well into the signal path and the need for a sound card) and he will very likely be happy with it, maybe add a subwoofer later on. In a budget scenario like this adding a receiver is only really sensible if OP knows some specific pair of passives he fancies, or has a scenario of multiple sources he wants to easily connect to the speakers.

It's up to him what he'd like really. From the ease of surround decoding and avoiding ground loops point of view, a passive set might actually be a very good idea. Unbalanced long connections tend to be slightly finicky and rarely completely quiet in my experience.
post #15 of 21
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Depending how complaint prone your neighbours are obviously. Low frequencies are what bother neighbours usually the most, since they retain more energy while traveling through walls and thus are the most audible (unless your walls are really thin, then higher frequencies will bother too).

Well they do not complain actually and I've asked them a number of times and they said they can't even hear me (I'm alone in the ground floor most of the time and the elderly couple on the first floor are the ones that said they don't hear me)
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That being said, even though 5" and 8" monitors are quite full-range-ish, they aren't exactly meant to extend beyond 50-80Hz as they're meant to be coupled with a subwoofer when the application requires one (like movies and games, for instance). You'll always benefit from a separate subwoofer with bookshelf speakers. Your current subwoofer might be only 5.25", but it's also tuned to resonate at a lower frequency so it might actually be more annoying to your neighbour than a pair of 5" monitors. The speakers shouldn't really annoy your neighbours any more than your present set, if you use them equally loud. I would be concerned when you get a 10-12" subwoofer though.

To be honest I am really happy with the bass quality of my subwoofer and I definitely wouldn't want to go lower in terms of bass quality. Still though I feel that it lacks a bit bass in movies but then again I don't have the bass in full volume. My point though is if I go with a pair of monitors aren't I going backwards for more money? I mean I lose both the 5.1 surround and the extra bass my subwoofer provides, that is what I am considered and that to reach a really high quality that I would like, I would have to spend enormous amounts of money which I can't acquire since I am just a college student.
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Hunger grows while you're eating with these things, so you can either settle with some satellite set that's easy to position and set up, or bigger heavier speakers that you might enjoy a lot that are also going to cost a good deal in the longer run.

Yeah to be honest I really het hungry in these things and that's what I'm afraid of that I will end up spending enormous amounts of money tongue.gif

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If you are a true audiophile then your only option is to save more than $2-300, preferably starting at a minimum of $1000, and start looking at receivers and speakers. If you're looking at that price range ($2-300) and want audiophile sound then you need to only look at quality headphones, soundcard, and possibly a dac. Speaker sets labled specifically for pc use aren't going to be audiophile quality. If you can wait and save money, you can find and buy quality used equipment and be MUCH happier.

Well that can't happen unless I decide to save money when I get a job and finish college tongue.gif

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OP can very well get a pair of $200 active monitors, ditch the necessity of a receiver and save $200-300 (although receivers do contain the DAC and amplification in the same device, eliminating ground loop hums and RFI induction quite well into the signal path and the need for a sound card) and he will very likely be happy with it, maybe add a subwoofer later on. In a budget scenario like this adding a receiver is only really sensible if OP knows some specific pair of passives he fancies, or has a scenario of multiple sources he wants to easily connect to the speakers.
It's up to him what he'd like really. From the ease of surround decoding and avoiding ground loops point of view, a passive set might actually be a very good idea. Unbalanced long connections tend to be slightly finicky and rarely completely quiet in my experience.

ground loop hums? RFI induction? Help me here tongue.gif
post #16 of 21
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Tbh the speakers probably haven't lost their touch. I mean music sounds awesome I have no problem with music and surround gaming may sound a bit off because it's just in my mind or I have set it up wrong but I know for a fact I wouldn't mind studio monitors. Problem is would it really benefit me since I live in an apartment? I can put music really loud and I watch movies loudly late at night with my current setup but could some studio monitors make my neighbours call the police? tongue.gif Because I wouldn't want that tbh.

What are you using it for? Music/ video/ what quality? What is your Windows audio settings set to? What is your onboard settings set to?
Sometimes quality can be lost or ****ty because of settings, or even the audio/ video player you are using. For instance in your audio settings I don't know what ASUS or Realtek offer for adjusting settings but do you have a Games mode and separate audio mode?

I use this as a happy medium so I don't have to go adjust every setting to differ between games, music, shows, Once I set my settings to sound good for this song it pretty well transfers to whatever else I am doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imixg3jrJS8 It is pretty consistent and has ample bass plus fairly clear lyrics ect. From what I've read newer onboard sound is pretty decent, and when I look at current offerings for dedicated sound cards I haven't been too impressed. So maybe I'm guessing your Realtek 892 is decent enough.
If you want value (for headphones) and great audio quality I recommend Sennheiser 201's I LOVE LOVE LOVE these. I am saying this after selling my $200 Sony DJ headphones. Bass does not mean quality and these are f'ing amazing and only like $20. From what it sounds like you might just need to do a bit of tweaking, as you say the music sounds awesome. If games sound a bit off I think adjusting the in game audio settings might be a better option then running out and spending hundreds of dollars on new gear. thumb.gif
    
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What are you using it for? Music/ video/ what quality? What is your Windows audio settings set to? What is your onboard settings set to?
Sometimes quality can be lost or ****ty because of settings, or even the audio/ video player you are using.

I haven't touched my Windows audio settings at all only did some room correction with the Onboard Realtek settings.

I enabled the Speaker Fill (so 2.1 audio sounds as 5.1):




Also I have played with the Room correction because my rear speakers are a bit far from where I'm sitting:



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For instance in your audio settings I don't know what ASUS or Realtek offer for adjusting settings but do you have a Games mode and separate audio mode?

I have a separate Gaming and Music setting on the speakers control but it sounds horrible and destroys the surround.

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If you want value (for headphones) and great audio quality I recommend Sennheiser 201's I LOVE LOVE LOVE these. I am saying this after selling my $200 Sony DJ headphones. Bass does not mean quality and these are f'ing amazing and only like $20. From what it sounds like you might just need to do a bit of tweaking, as you say the music sounds awesome. If games sound a bit off I think adjusting the in game audio settings might be a better option then running out and spending hundreds of dollars on new gear. thumb.gif

No no no no no no no no no no no. No way I'm using headphones I blatantly hate them!!!! Only for my mp3 player and that's it I really can't be bothered using headphones inside my own house, I have considered it some times but there is no way I'll ever turn to headphones.
post #18 of 21
I've personally found the stereo to surround virtualizations to make music sound hollow and weird, artificially distant sort of. Games don't sound as weird because they have actual 3D data of the sound sources and don't have to apply any sort of 2D expansion to a source that actually moves on only one axis (stereo). But then again you didn't complain about music performance but games, there I'm completely lost. And it sounds like you might enjoy a set with a bigger subwoofer more than an actual investement in mid-range sound quality (ironically mid-range is most of what we hear though, but to each their own).
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ground loop hums? RFI induction? Help me here tongue.gif
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Ground loop is essentially a 50/60Hz buzz (and their harmonic multiplies 100/120Hz, 200/240Hz etc..), which is caused by your audio gear having several grounding points in your system. The power from a power socket is alternating current, basically something close to a sine wave at either 50Hz or 60Hz frequency depending on where you live. If the connections are shielded and cases properly grounded, there should be no much hum but in some systems it leaks quite badly making speakers have a constant low tone buzz. I only got rid of mine by using balanced XLR or TRS connections.

RFI and EMI, radio frequency interference and electromagnetic interference, like the annoying sound you sometimes hear when your cellphone is near an amplifier or a sound card or a speaker. Usually inducts into long ass badly shielded cables especially since they're basically antennas with no proper shielding and all. Other power cords and transformers like wall warts and laptop power supplies can also cause these to get into the sound chain if you run a thin wire near a cable.

But neither of those were your problem, they're just more likely to happen in an unbalanced (ie normal RCA or 3.5mm) cable and active speakers than a separate receiver and passive speakers, but you won't have to bother thinking about those if you just get a satellite set to replace your current one tongue.gif
post #19 of 21
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So if I was to buy high end speakers my best bet would be separate receiver and passive speakers? Which I guess would cost even more than active ones
post #20 of 21
Well, with active speakers you have to still have a sound card, but as I said a cheap one shouldn't be THAT bad, most on-board ones I've heard newer than AMD 880G are totally fine and not inherently flawed like the run-of-the-mill audiophile will want you to believe, but obviously that's very much dependent on your PSU's ripple and motherboard layout and possibly it's power supply filtering etc etc...

Passive speakers, especially in combination with a 5.1 receiver that takes in optical would be easier to manage without weird ground loop/interference issues from the case or inductance like the aforementioned ones, so yes I'd recommend that. There are some sensibly priced 5.1 kits with a receiver I bet, Onkyo makes some affordable sets at least, might want to ask around more for them, shouldn't run more than $400-500 for a cheap one.
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Anything else that people argue about active being worse than passive, like "active speakers have weak amps" is mostly a statement made by people who stare at the wattage and believe that 50W isn't enough for a woofer (which is amusing because many woofer transducers put out 85-98dB for the first watt alone). They also completely ignore the fact that active speakers could in theory be sonically superior by having active cross-over networks with much less phase error than passive ones that go through resistors and capacitors. Then again, I hardly believe that or the "weak" (more appropriate term would be "impedance matched and sufficient amplifiers with overload circuitry that doesn't fry the transducers") amplifiers would actually be audible to anyone else but a person who puts their money into golden cables and juju-beans that enhance sound.

PS. Anecdotal evidence should be pretty much banned when it comes to audio discussion but I have heard that Fostex would have very weak amplifiers in their monitors, but that too might be only true for the lower end model or just bad quality control which is a problem for all budget monitors like M-Audio, Behringer, Fostex, KRK etc.. However the usual presumption that active is somehow worse is silly

Edited by seepra - 11/5/12 at 5:05pm
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