Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [TPU] No New FX Processor From AMD in 2013
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[TPU] No New FX Processor From AMD in 2013 - Page 11

post #101 of 158
A transfer never quantifies the number of bytes being used

Concerning a flat panel, there are no texels to be rendered behind the point of view, so there are billions of bytes to be saved.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
FX-8320 Gigabyte 990FXA UD3 Powercolor AX6850 Powercolor AX6850 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance LP CAS7 1600 (2 x 4GB) Samsung 840 Series Lite-On DVD-RW Corsair H80 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Arctic Twin Turbo ll x2 Corsair AF140 x3 Corsair SP120 x2 Windows 7 Premium 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 32LH40 1080p 120Hz Interpolated 32" LCD Razer Arctosa Seasonic X650 Corsair 300R Windowed 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Vespula Klipsch Promedia 2.1 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
FX-8320 Gigabyte 990FXA UD3 Powercolor AX6850 Powercolor AX6850 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Vengeance LP CAS7 1600 (2 x 4GB) Samsung 840 Series Lite-On DVD-RW Corsair H80 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Arctic Twin Turbo ll x2 Corsair AF140 x3 Corsair SP120 x2 Windows 7 Premium 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 32LH40 1080p 120Hz Interpolated 32" LCD Razer Arctosa Seasonic X650 Corsair 300R Windowed 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Deathadder 2013 Razer Vespula Klipsch Promedia 2.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #102 of 158
Then how do you explain how most games see an improvement going from PCI-E 2.0 -> 3.0 with Tahiti/GK104 cards? Obviously, then, more bandwidth is essential to performance...
Kalki
(25 items)
 
Alienware
(18 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8320 @ 4.73GHz Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Radeon HD 7950 @ 1200/1800 8GB Samsung 30nm DDR3 @ 2000MHz 11-11-11-28-1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
128GB Crucial M4 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST 7200 RPM who cares 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC Raystorm XSPC Razor HD 7970 XSPC EX240 Swiftech MCP50X 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Black Ice GT Stealth 240 2x XSPC Xinruilian 1650rpm 2x Yate Loon Slim 1800rpm Alphacool Light Tower 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Gentoo GNU/Linux Dell UltraSharp U2412M CM Storm Trigger MX Brown 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G400 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD OPTERON BULLDOZER 16-CORE 2GHZ (32GHZ TOTAL) ALIENWARE 3+1 PHASE ITX GAMING BOARD 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 430 32GB GAMING DDR3 800MHZ CL13 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2TB 5400RPM GAMING HDD GAMING BLU RAY BURNER ONE GAMING CASE FAN UBUNTU W/ UNITY (I AM 1337 H4X0R) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HD-READY 24" 1366X768 PENTILE TN PANEL GAMING M... ALIENWARE TACTX UBER 1337 BACKLIT RUBBER MEMBRA... OFF-BRAND 200W GAMING PSU; 65% EFFICIENCY  ALIENWARE GAMING CASE WITH THE COOL GLOWING ALIEN 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
ALIENWARE TACTX GAMING MOUSE ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 1337 ALIENWARE TACTX 8-CHANNEL GAMING HEADSET/M... 
OtherOther
16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... ALIENWARE GAMING CARPET 
  hide details  
Reply
Kalki
(25 items)
 
Alienware
(18 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8320 @ 4.73GHz Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Radeon HD 7950 @ 1200/1800 8GB Samsung 30nm DDR3 @ 2000MHz 11-11-11-28-1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
128GB Crucial M4 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST 7200 RPM who cares 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC Raystorm XSPC Razor HD 7970 XSPC EX240 Swiftech MCP50X 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Black Ice GT Stealth 240 2x XSPC Xinruilian 1650rpm 2x Yate Loon Slim 1800rpm Alphacool Light Tower 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Gentoo GNU/Linux Dell UltraSharp U2412M CM Storm Trigger MX Brown 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G400 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD OPTERON BULLDOZER 16-CORE 2GHZ (32GHZ TOTAL) ALIENWARE 3+1 PHASE ITX GAMING BOARD 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 430 32GB GAMING DDR3 800MHZ CL13 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2TB 5400RPM GAMING HDD GAMING BLU RAY BURNER ONE GAMING CASE FAN UBUNTU W/ UNITY (I AM 1337 H4X0R) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HD-READY 24" 1366X768 PENTILE TN PANEL GAMING M... ALIENWARE TACTX UBER 1337 BACKLIT RUBBER MEMBRA... OFF-BRAND 200W GAMING PSU; 65% EFFICIENCY  ALIENWARE GAMING CASE WITH THE COOL GLOWING ALIEN 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
ALIENWARE TACTX GAMING MOUSE ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 1337 ALIENWARE TACTX 8-CHANNEL GAMING HEADSET/M... 
OtherOther
16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... ALIENWARE GAMING CARPET 
  hide details  
Reply
post #103 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Usario View Post

I said CPU cores specifically... chipset bottleneck plays a major role.

There is no chipset bottleneck and unless you can prove otherwise with hard evidence then don't mention it again.
post #104 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Usario View Post

Then how do you explain how most games see an improvement going from PCI-E 2.0 -> 3.0 with Tahiti/GK104 cards? Obviously, then, more bandwidth is essential to performance...

They don't... only during 3-4 way set-ups.... and you have to remember that an overclocked GTX 680/670 and 7950/7970 is as fast as the dual GPU cads like the GTX 590 and 6990.
post #105 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimaggio1103 View Post

One of many victories from vishera over Intel. Still not the better CPU but I call that toe to toe.

Again hardly 2008 numbers here

Welcome to 2012, stuff just got real multithreaded.
Thanks Dimaggio1103 with pulling up that information! thumb.gif As I stated, the 8350 going toe to toe with the 3770k. but where exactly does that leave AM3+ after vishera? will they make am4? or will am3+ just die? if they do make am4 would an am3+ chip like bulldozer and piledriver be compatible?
 
Beautiful HoRyzen
(19 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700x Gigabyte Auros ax370 gaming 5 gigabyte geforce gtx 1080 ti gaming Crucial Ballistix Tactical ddr4-3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Barracuda 4TB crucial mx300 m2 Asus dvd rw corsair h100i 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
corsair af120 corsair af 120 windows 10 pro 64 bit asus vw 246h 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
aoc 2236vw corsair k40 corsair rm750x corsair graphite 760t arctic white 
MouseMouse PadAudio
corsair sabre rgb razer vespula altec lansing ocatne 7 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo g72gx-rbbx05 gtx 260m Nanya PC2-6400 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
G Skill 64 GB SSD Western Digital Scorpio Black HL-DVD-RW Windows 7 Home Premium 
MouseAudio
Razer Lachesis 4000 DPI Onboard Altec Lansing 
  hide details  
Reply
 
Beautiful HoRyzen
(19 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700x Gigabyte Auros ax370 gaming 5 gigabyte geforce gtx 1080 ti gaming Crucial Ballistix Tactical ddr4-3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Barracuda 4TB crucial mx300 m2 Asus dvd rw corsair h100i 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
corsair af120 corsair af 120 windows 10 pro 64 bit asus vw 246h 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
aoc 2236vw corsair k40 corsair rm750x corsair graphite 760t arctic white 
MouseMouse PadAudio
corsair sabre rgb razer vespula altec lansing ocatne 7 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo g72gx-rbbx05 gtx 260m Nanya PC2-6400 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
G Skill 64 GB SSD Western Digital Scorpio Black HL-DVD-RW Windows 7 Home Premium 
MouseAudio
Razer Lachesis 4000 DPI Onboard Altec Lansing 
  hide details  
Reply
post #106 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by almighty15 View Post

There is no chipset bottleneck and unless you can prove otherwise with hard evidence then don't mention it again.

You don't ever say that sentence again ! Go back to this thread and Read the Post #52 !!
It sounds you don't know anything about AMD Chipset and its specification. If you are willing to prove that it's not the chipset then prove it in front of us. Provide us some documents.
AMD Chipsets are slower for high end PCIe 3.0 GPUs is exactly as true as 2+2 = 4, But you are trying to make it 2+2 = 5, 6 or even 7 ? Who do you think you are ?
Search about Hyper Transport in Wikipedia and read the whole article.
Compare it with the bandwidth consumed by HD 7970/680 in Toms hardware in Intel Sandy Bridge-E system.

According to AMD, Their 7xx series chipsets were capable to transfer HT revision 3.0 or up to 10.4GB/s Unidirectional (2.6GT/s < here This is Giga Transfer per second not Giga Texal or you can write it as 2600 MT/s or Mega/Million Transfers or in terms of frequency MHz (All this is for CPU to GPU and GPU to CPU bandwidth) ,
Bus as I said it was only chipset, there has never been launched a single CPU by AMD in desktop segment that supports 2600 MHz HT. All CPUs came with a default HT Bus support of 2000MHz.

Now They firstly claimed that their newest 9xx series chipsets now can support an increased data rates. These data rates will be according to HT revision 3.1, 3.2GT/s unidirectional or 3200 MT/s Unidirectional or 6.4GT/s Aggregate Bidirectional, and the bandwidth is about 12.8 GB/s unidirectional or 25.6GB/s Aggregate.


But again newer Bulldozer CPUs and even latest Piledriver CPU came with default HT support of up to 2200 MHz. This means even now chipset can do higher but CPU doesn't support it. W.T.F. mad.gif
Most users proved that overclocking HT results in instability with some lower performance.
Also our I/O devices like HDD/Flash Drives, etc uses same HT Bus to connect to CPU. This traffic also reduces some roads for GPU to transfer data to CPU and vice versa.
This is total chaos mad.gif
But the problem is with not the architecture, the main problem is with Transfer rates, they really are very slow.
Edited by sumitlian - 11/6/12 at 7:02am
Haswell i3
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i3-4150 @ 3.5 GHz Asus B85M-G Rev 1.01, Bios: 2501 Integrated Intel HD 4400 2x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 750 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200.14 Seagate 500 GB 2.5" Samsung DVD/RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H70 Windows 10 64 bit Samsung A300N 20" 1600 x 900 60Hz 5ms 19Watt PS/2 Microsoft Wired Keyboard 500 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX850 V2 CoolerMaster Elite 430 Black Logitech M170 
  hide details  
Reply
Haswell i3
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i3-4150 @ 3.5 GHz Asus B85M-G Rev 1.01, Bios: 2501 Integrated Intel HD 4400 2x 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 750 EVO 250GB Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200.14 Seagate 500 GB 2.5" Samsung DVD/RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H70 Windows 10 64 bit Samsung A300N 20" 1600 x 900 60Hz 5ms 19Watt PS/2 Microsoft Wired Keyboard 500 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair TX850 V2 CoolerMaster Elite 430 Black Logitech M170 
  hide details  
Reply
post #107 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by sumitlian View Post

You don't ever say that sentence again ! Go back to this thread and Read the Post #52 !!
It sounds you don't know anything about AMD Chip set and its specification. If you are willing to prove that it's not the chip set then prove it in front of us. Provide us some documents.

Do you know what I thought reading that post?

Blah...blah...no real world evidence...blah....blah.... wikipedia chart...blah...blah...

Seriously, stop grasping at straws..... you ask me to provide proof? I don't need too... the internet is full of reviews and articles showing that in GPU limited titles AMD chips are just as fast as Intel despite being apparently "Bandwidth starved" rolleyes.gif

I have also never ever ever read a single mutli-GPU review or article that says that AMD's chipset bottlenecks multi-GPU's, infact the only time I've heard such non-snese is from deranged fan boys grasping at straws and looking at something to blame FX's lacklustre multi-GPU performance on.

PCIEX 3.0 as well as having double the bandwidth also has a much lower latency then PCIEX 2, that's where a big part of the difference comes from as the cards synchronise better and faster with less waiting around for instructions. But yet some people seem to magicallyforget that part rolleyes.gif

The problem is lack of CPU grunt, it always has been so stop trying to push the blame onto something else.... There's people on this very forum that are running 7950/7970 Crossfire and in GPU limited and highly threaded games are getting the same performance as someone with an Intel Chipset, so where's this "Bottleneck" that you speak of?
Edited by almighty15 - 11/6/12 at 7:38am
post #108 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

It's really not that amazing. They made it a bit faster and reduced the power draw to reasonable levels, but that's about it.
Here's a review that explains just about everything about it:

Heh, some how it has been turned into an amazing product if it doesn't disappoint. The new FXs aren't amazing, but I think they lived up to expectations this time. Though this time around the expectations were a little more reasonable. I think they will be good products if they can stay at good price point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by almighty15 View Post


I have also never ever ever read a single mutli-GPU review or article that says that AMD's chipset bottlenecks multi-GPU's, infact the only time I've heard such non-snese is from deranged fan boys grasping at straws and looking at something to blame FX's lacklustre multi-GPU performance on.
PCIEX 3.0 as well as having double the bandwidth also has a much lower latency then PCIEX 2, that's where a big part of the difference comes from as the cards synchronise better and faster with less waiting around for instructions. But yet some people seem to magicallyforget that part rolleyes.gif
The problem is lack of CPU grunt, it always has been so stop trying to push the blame onto something else.... There's people on this very forum that are running 7950/7970 Crossfire and in GPU limited and highly threaded games are getting the same performance as someone with an Intel Chipset, so where's this "Bottleneck" that you speak of?

I think most of that came from right here on OCN from member testing. I know I've seen multiple posts of people complaining their fps aren't increasing like they should. In the builds I've done with multiple GPUs I've just avoided using an AMD CPU though. However...it is pretty easy to google up some testing that shows this to be the case in many situations. This one is one I have bookmarked. It isn't overly "official", but the test data it has is nearly an exact match to the testing I've done so I trust the stuff on it that I haven't tested. Note that it is older and is on the FX8150. The FX8350 should be better.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 11/6/12 at 8:11am
My System
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
2600K @ 4.7GHz Asus P8P67 B3 GTX 580 EVGA Hydro Copper 2 GTX 580 EVGA  
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws bunch of 'em Blu-Ray For movies Windows 8.1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
24.4" Hans G HH251 X2 Yamakasi DS270  Blah 1000watt Super Flower 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Built into Desk Microsoft SideWinder X8 Comfy one... Creative Extreme Gamer 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
2600K @ 4.7GHz Asus P8P67 B3 GTX 580 EVGA Hydro Copper 2 GTX 580 EVGA  
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws bunch of 'em Blu-Ray For movies Windows 8.1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
24.4" Hans G HH251 X2 Yamakasi DS270  Blah 1000watt Super Flower 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Built into Desk Microsoft SideWinder X8 Comfy one... Creative Extreme Gamer 
  hide details  
Reply
post #109 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm View Post

I think most of that came from right here on OCN from member testing. I know I've seen multiple posts of people complaining their fps aren't increasing like they should. In the builds I've done with multiple GPUs I've just avoided using an AMD CPU though. However...it is pretty easy to google up some testing that shows this to be the case in many situations. This one is one I have bookmarked. It isn't overly "official", but the test data it has is nearly an exact match to the testing I've done so I trust the stuff on it that I haven't tested. Note that it is older and is on the FX8150. The FX8350 should be better.

Thanks for the link, reading through it it doesn't high light a chip set bottleneck and nor does the tester.

It actually shows some nice scaling in games and matching the Intel chip in some too!

The article just shows the typical down sides of using over 2 GPU's....i.e.... rubbish scaling.

So that article basically clears it up then, there's nothing wrong with the chipset in regards to multi-GPU set-ups.
post #110 of 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dt_Freak1 View Post

Thanks Dimaggio1103 with pulling up that information! thumb.gif As I stated, the 8350 going toe to toe with the 3770k. but where exactly does that leave AM3+ after vishera? will they make am4? or will am3+ just die? if they do make am4 would an am3+ chip like bulldozer and piledriver be compatible?

AMD probably will go down the NB integration route that Intel did. Llano and Trinity already have integrated NBs, and it would make sense that their enthusiast line will get the same treatment as well. Of course, this would necessitate a new socket that breaks all backwards compatibility.
Millenium Falcon
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 4930k MSI Big Bang Xpower II EVGA GTX 690 Patriot Viper II Sector 7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
OCZ Deneva 2 Corsair Force 3 Maxtor Western Digital Green 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung BD/DVD-RW Swiftech MCP655 x2 Black Ice GTX 480 Black Ice GTX 280 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool Repack Dual D5 Watercool Heatkiller 3.0 Alphacool GTX 690 fullcover Bitspower Big Bang Xpower II fullcover 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 64-bit Professional 3x Dell S2340 Max Keyboard Durandal CoolerMaster V1000 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Azza Genesis 9000B Logitech G700 Roccat Alumic Onkyo HT-S9100THX 
  hide details  
Reply
Millenium Falcon
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 4930k MSI Big Bang Xpower II EVGA GTX 690 Patriot Viper II Sector 7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
OCZ Deneva 2 Corsair Force 3 Maxtor Western Digital Green 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung BD/DVD-RW Swiftech MCP655 x2 Black Ice GTX 480 Black Ice GTX 280 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool Repack Dual D5 Watercool Heatkiller 3.0 Alphacool GTX 690 fullcover Bitspower Big Bang Xpower II fullcover 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 64-bit Professional 3x Dell S2340 Max Keyboard Durandal CoolerMaster V1000 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Azza Genesis 9000B Logitech G700 Roccat Alumic Onkyo HT-S9100THX 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [TPU] No New FX Processor From AMD in 2013