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Im planning on building a whole new rig mainly for gaming (ocasionaly photoshop and video editing) with good performance/price ratio. The budget is about 1200 euro and the prices/options in my area aren't exactly "great" *cough*..... Here is what i came up with so far :

case: Zalman Z11+ --71e
MoBo: GIGABYTE Z77X-D3H (hopefully rev 1.1 will be availible) --130e
CPU: i5-3570K --213e
CPU Cooler: NOCTUA NH-U9B SE2 --47e
GPU: 2x GTX 660 ti (GIGABYTE N66TWF2-2GD) --2x275e
RAM: Corsair 8GB KIT DDR3 1600MHz CL9 Vengeance Low profile (1,5V 2x4GB since im afraid of having 1,65V with IB) --37e
PSU: Corsair GS800 --100e

total = 1153euro

Im gaming at 1920x1200 and in near future i would like to get SSD Intel 520 120GB, probably. The choice of GPU is now out of question since i already have 1 GTX 660 ti (and im realy content with it). I've been strugling on choice between i5-3570K + GA Z77X-D3H vs Phenom II X4 965 BE + ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 witch would cost me about half the price but im afraid of CPU bottleneck in games and the i5-3570K is an astonishing alrounder so... I also want to overclock both GPUs and CPU to a certain reasonable biggrin.gif lvl. By the way I'm upgrading from an good old Phenom X4 2,2 GHz, 9800GTX+ 1GB wich has served me well all these years.

I hope this build will last few years full of quality gaming so im looking for some good tips/advices/opinions thumb.gif

ps: my first post, my english is bad and i should feel bad...
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Welcome and that will be a great PC for gaming!
 
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What store(s) are you ordering from?

 

I mean, the power supply can be brought down to a quality-made 450W unit and still have plenty of power even having two GTX 660 Ti's.

 

I couldn't find a review I liked of two GTX 660 Ti's in SLi, but here's one of two GTX 670s in SLi:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_670_2_and_3way_sli_review,4.html

 

With two GTX 670s in SLi under full load, their system's power supply pulled 433W from the wall outlet.  Their CPU was idling, so we have to add about 150W which makes the PSU pull 583W from the wall outlet.  If the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 583W from the wall outlet, then that means the system is pulling about 495W from the PSU.

 

So what I'm saying is that we can go with a quality-made modular PSU with a 550W rating (meaning, it is able to deliver 550W continuously unlike a low quality 550W unit).

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First of all thanks for that welcome biggrin.gif

Now about that power supply.. I also searched some tests and they always get around 500W consumption but in the end recomend you 700W PSU as minimum.... That I dont understand but I gues it has something to do with power availible on those 12V rails. Altough it would be nice to trade for less powerfull but more efficient PSU. But that 800W will at least make me sleep well biggrin.gif

BTW i will (probably) order from an unknown shop here in Eruope http://www.alza.sk/EN/
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I entered in your information to this power supply calculator and you seem to have plently of room. I myself have a 3570k overclocked and for a time i ran a gtx480 off of my 620w power supply just fine. and I think a gtx480 pulls more than two gtx660ti's would. As TwoCables said, it is more important to make sure you are getting a quality power supply. a quality 600w trumps a low end 800w for sure. here is where i entered your power supply info: eXtreme Power Supply Calculator As for everything else, it looks more than capable as a good gaming rig
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The GS800 is a quality power supply, but it's not modular, it's extreme overkill, and so I think that we can get a high-quality modular PSU for about the same price by just looking for a ~550W unit.

 

I want to avoid using PSU calculators because they are too easy to use incorrectly thereby getting results that are way too high.

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Cauko,
I am happy that I am not the only Slovak here XD.

CPU - i5 3570k - 213.06€ - you might want to consider getting an i7 3770k for 100€ more.
MB -ASUS Maximus Formula V ThunderFX - 321.06€ - This maybe is overkill, but this is OCN, where Overkill is the slogan used.
RAM: Corsair 8GB Vengeance low profile 1866MHz CL9 red - 46.60€ - maybe even get 16GB if you want to.
PSU - Corsair AX750 - 158.06€
GPU - Sapphire HD 7970 Vapor-X GHz edition - 434.75€ Just noticed that you already have a GTX 660 ti.
CPU Cooler - Noctua NH-D14 - 73.48€
Case - Corsair 550D - 122.50€
SSD - Crucial M4 256GB -195.22€

Total: 1008.27€
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First of all thanks for that welcome biggrin.gif
Now about that power supply.. I also searched some tests and they always get around 500W consumption but in the end recomend you 700W PSU as minimum.... That I dont understand but I gues it has something to do with power availible on those 12V rails. Altough it would be nice to trade for less powerfull but more efficient PSU. But that 800W will at least make me sleep well biggrin.gif
BTW i will (probably) order from an unknown shop here in Eruope http://www.alza.sk/EN/

 

The reason for recommending 700W minimum is that they need to take into account the likelihood that some people will just go out and get a very generic PSU.  A generic 700W is like a quality-made 500-550W power supply in terms of the capacity (and only in terms of the capacity).  I mean, there are too many cheap ~700W power supplies out there that have roughly the same +12V capacity that most quality 550W power supplies have.  It's the difference between being peak-rated and continuous-rated.

 

A quality-made 800W power supply has enough power to have three GTX 680s in your system:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_680_3_way_sli_review,4.html

 

With three GTX 680s under full load in their system, their power supply pulled 649W from the wall outlet.  The CPU was idling, so let's just add 200W for good measure here which makes the PSU pull 849W from the wall outlet.  If the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 849W from the wall outlet, then that means the system is pulling about 722W from the PSU.

 

Therefore, a quality-made 750W power supply would be plenty to handle a system that has three GTX 680s in it because this 722W power draw would only happen when the three GTX 680s and the CPU are under full load simultaneously.  On top of that, a quality-made 750W power supply is designed to be able to continuously deliver 750W.

 

So what I want to do right now is make a list of modular PSUs from alza.cz that don't cost any more than the Corsair GS800.  From a first glance, it looks like I'll be able to recommend some very nice PSUs!

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I don't like the GS800 that much, due to the fact that it is not modular. For a first time build I would recommend a modular PSU. I think that a quality AX650 would suffice, but as it is discontinued, an AX750 is the next choice.

One thing about SLi'ng the GTX 660ti, is that they only have 2GB of 192bit memory to share amongst themselves. I think that you would do better by keeping the GTX 660ti and upgrading all the other stuff. In the future, when the GTX 660ti will be cheaper, you might want to upgrade if you feel like it. Right now I don't think that SLi GTX 660ti is a good value for money.

EDIT: Do you have a Hard drive that you can use for storage?
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I'm trying to put together a list of quality-made modular PSUs that don't cost more than the GS800, but the first few I want to recommend only have two PCI-E connectors (two 660 Ti's will need 4 altogether).  So I have a question:  would you be opposed to using those Molex to PCI-E adapters?  To fill two PCI-E connectors on a video card, two separate Molex adapters are needed which means a total of 4 Molex cables from the PSU are needed (two Molex connectors per adapter).

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