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Well, I've talked to people like AMD and MSi and they generally have given me voltage ranges. I was surprised that Kingston wouldn't give any budge on that.

I've only found on DDR3 ram that "past 1.8 is bad" and "up to 1.7 is okay" but there's a huge gap there. With my RAM in BIOS, this is what happens:

1.6 (stock) = 1.565 ram voltage
1.65 = 1.616
1.7 = 1.4 ??? seriously downvolt
1.75 = 1.5 ??? serious downvolt
1.8 = 1.76

So I'd be interested in playing with 1.76volts if that was within a safe or even slightly dangerous zone (ram is cheap). anyways that's not really the topic of discussion here, I passed memtest, 11 hours, on all stock settings, on the swapped over dimm slots. I'm going to run memtest86+ again on the original dimm slots. It might be that the first 2 dimm slots are bad.
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Well, I've talked to people like AMD and MSi and they generally have given me voltage ranges. I was surprised that Kingston wouldn't give any budge on that.
I've only found on DDR3 ram that "past 1.8 is bad" and "up to 1.7 is okay" but there's a huge gap there. With my RAM in BIOS, this is what happens:
1.6 (stock) = 1.565 ram voltage
1.65 = 1.616
1.7 = 1.4 ??? seriously downvolt
1.75 = 1.5 ??? serious downvolt
1.8 = 1.76
So I'd be interested in playing with 1.76volts if that was within a safe or even slightly dangerous zone (ram is cheap). anyways that's not really the topic of discussion here, I passed memtest, 11 hours, on all stock settings, on the swapped over dimm slots. I'm going to run memtest86+ again on the original dimm slots. It might be that the first 2 dimm slots are bad.
Possibly. Dude downlock your gpu 5omhz lower than default clock speeds. Do this for the core clocks and the memory clocks.
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Passed 11+ hours on memtest86+ just fine.

I'm going to test it on the original 2 dimms tonight, to see if those dimm slots might be the culprit.
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if your passing prime95 better with the memory in the furthest 2 slots id say your inner slots are questionable. but i would also guess one of the broken pins is causing your IMC to be unstable. its weird what one pin can change isnt it. to the guy who came in here saying that pins on the chips are antiquated, you only say that because your used to how intel does things with pins on the motherboards and chips being smooth on the bottom. theres going to be drawbacks to both sides of the coin. OP you have shown a helluvalot of patience in trying to get this system to overclock. good on you for being so patient and working so hard. you obviously like a challenge. thumb.gif however it might be time to change tactics and parts to boot. i dont think the stepping is the issue, i think those broken pins are probably a major part of the culprit, and possibly a board thats been pushed too hard for too long?
 
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yea ill run a memtest86+ tonight on the furthest 2 slots. Maybe with the core at 3.6ghz/1.472,

i dont know about the pins, i mean i was pretty sure to make contact with the wire to be put in pretty good. I think specifically pulling out the wire and testing each pinhole with no wire in it to see what would happen if there definitely was no contact there would be pretty tedious... i might do testing on that later on when some TIM comes in (prolim sent me some samples...airing it from taiwain, pretty hardcore).

its odd that prime95 failed on 26 hours, i mean a fail means the system is unstable, because it lasted to 26 hours instead of 24 or 6-8 doesnt change the fact its unstable, just means the instability came up later, but it definitely is a different tune to the 50+ configurations I tested of numerous voltages and clocks and irrelelvant bios and parts settings always crashing before 6 hours (and just twice up to 8). I think it'd really take more testing to know for sure, ie just running overclocks on the further 2 dimms and seeing if i get constant fails against before 6-8 hours on 3.7 ghz with varying voltages (i tested 3.7/1.472 at 1066mhz first 2 slots and it failed at 16 hours so i know its kinda stable, might be stable with just a tad more voltage).

but before that ill run another pass of memtest86+ on the inner, original 2 slots, see what happens there. If it passes 10+ hours i think that'll definitely indicate pin or faulty IMC... i guess which would pretty clearly mean pins, since i havent seen anyone else have to downclock ram from 1333 to 1066. uggh i really dont look forward to having to do that.

i mean really, i could just say **** it, downclock ram to 1066, and settle with some 3.7 odd ghz and very normal system with slightly slower ram (maybe i can tune up the timings to CL6 to make up for it, might even be better that way for the system, although i am curious if running 1066CL8 instead of CL9 would cause the same issues as 1333mhz on the original 2 dimms).
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So does everyone agree faulty GPU?
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its definitely your cpu id say, and possibly your board.
 
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i didnt mean to post that in this thread lol.
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K I'll be updating this, fixed a GPU issue that was preventing me from running prime95 by reformatting/reinstalling w7.

I'm just going to find my max overclock with ram set to 1066 mhz. Once I do that, I'll do more testing to see what exactly is wrong with my system - the RAM, the dimms, or IMC. So say 3.75ghz @1.52vcore is what turns out to be my highest max core clock - then, I'm simply turn my ram mhz back up to stock 1333mhz on the other dimms, and if it doesnt crash, I'll know it's the dimms (which I'll confirm by trying it back on the original dimms again).

If it crashes on both slots, that'll lead me to believe it's either RAM or the motherboard/all dim slots OR IMC...

I suppose increasing CPU-NB-VID would test if it's the IMC or not? But I toyed around a lot with increased CPU-NB voltage and frequencies and there was no correlation with what they set to and quicker or later prime95 crashes... so maybe that means IMC isn't the issue, or maybe it means it's just ****ed, i'm not really sure.

kind of confusing, but I'll get my max cpu clock down first. Since the system was crashing at 6-8 hours of prime95 before, that seems to indicate to me that whatever the problem is, it's very minor, and that may be why running 12+ hour Memtest86+ did not have any errors on any RAM slot on stock ram settings. or maybe that means the RAM isn't the issue, so it's either IMC or ram slots, and since cpu-nb-voltage never changed anything, it must be the motherboard/dimms?

Wonder how I test if the motherboard is the problem...
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