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BOSD x124, another hardware error, 3.9ghz@1.552v withn a minute of p95 blend.

I've really really been struggling to get 3.9ghz to work. I even went ahead and increased ht link voltage, cpu-nb (over voltage +.1v), ram, and chipset voltages (next step up, 1.65 ie 1.616v and next step up, 1.18v ie 1.168v). That didn't work. I also tried it but with FSB instead of multiplier, going to 230FSB x 16Multi... didn't work.

So I've backed down to 1.552v. I was trying to get 3.9ghz to work by stretching just a bit to 1.56v, but it didn't work. No matter what, no matter volts on other components, couldnt get 3.9ghz to work. I guess I would just have to go beyond 1.55v to get 3.9+, which would definitely get me too high in temps, not to mention its past the 1.55v recommended upper voltage limit.

At first I thought i could make 3.9ghz work because even though 3.9 fails on p95 right away, i upped cpunb voltage and it ran for an hour... but only because one of the workers failed immediately (ie core 4 was at 0% load the whole time, voltage was a bit lower because one of the cores simply wasnt being tested).

Maybe if I tweaked around with ACC, somehow make core #4 work less or something, i could get 3.9ghz to work? I cant really find anything on ACC though, and it makes my temp readings totally whacked out.

Going to simply test 3.8ghz at 1.552v tonight.

yes my sig system is accurate. biostar a770e3. It was a great value combo deal with my athlon ii x3 450 on newegg a year and a half ago, I basically paid like $30 for it. Athlon ii x3 450 + biostar a770e3 for ~$100 or so.

edit: I'm going to start using Small FFT tests instead of Blend tests, because right now I'm just testing for CPU stability:
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Which Prime95 test gave you the error?

If the Small FFT's test failed, the problem is most likely CPU settings. If the Large FFT's or Blend Test failed, the problem is likely to be memory settings.

edit2: nvm gonna stick with blend. i just hope these 10 hour tests dont bite me in the ass, ive had 16-20 hour fails before. ugh.

and failure on 3.8ghz@1.552v. Gonna try 3.8ghz@1.56v.

edit3: hovering around 59*C, 3.8ghz@1.56v p95 :X. I have my shutdown temp at 65*C. my VRM is getting to 83*C.
Edited by Belial - 11/6/12 at 11:11pm
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Was hitting 90*C VRM with 3.8ghz@1.56v, 61*C core or so. It was getting hot, so I stepped it down to 1.552v, p95 lasted 3 hours.

I was a little worried with the temps because it's freezing in this room due to the weather, VRM seemed to be rising more.

I really wish I could do something to make 3.8ghz work. Like another voltage or something. I guess just my temps won't let me go past it i suppose. It wouldnt be temp limited would it? Any possibility that lowering the voltage could allow 3.8ghz to be stable? If I lowered voltage a bit i think i could get back to about 55*C.


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Phenom II CPUs are usually very intolerant to high voltages when using air setups. Be aware that more voltage may decrease stability going past 1.5V on quad core versions of Phenom II.

http://www.techreaction.net/2010/10/14/phenom-ii-imc-ram-overclocking-guide/
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Was hitting 90*C VRM with 3.8ghz@1.56v, 61*C core or so. It was getting hot, so I stepped it down to 1.552v, p95 lasted 3 hours.
I was a little worried with the temps because it's freezing in this room due to the weather, VRM seemed to be rising more.
I really wish I could do something to make 3.8ghz work. Like another voltage or something. I guess just my temps won't let me go past it i suppose. It wouldnt be temp limited would it? Any possibility that lowering the voltage could allow 3.8ghz to be stable? If I lowered voltage a bit i think i could get back to about 55*C.
edit:
http://www.techreaction.net/2010/10/14/phenom-ii-imc-ram-overclocking-guide/

wow, really nice thread, really interesting

but tbh, I'd say your motherboard is the limiting factor to your overclock.

and i'd probably cut on the voltages and just settle at 3.7, cuz 3.7 is a pretty good overclock considering the board its on
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but tbh, I'd say your motherboard is the limiting factor to your overclock.

Besides limiting the maximum FSB (which can be fixed with chipset voltage, to a point, and you really dont need more than ~260 fsb even with locked multi), how is the motherboard a limit factor, especially when I'm just increasing only the multi?

On a side note, decreasing voltage to 1.3625VID+ .2v CPU Over Voltage = 1.536vcore, 3.8ghz, seemed to have failed in about 20 minutes (still checking what crashed specifically).
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well the mobo is a bit outdated, idk how well your rigged up vrm cooling is doing. also dont know what kind of a power phase design is used on that mobo. maybe a better mobo+bios could wield you that 3.8 easily. i mean there is a reason why mobos can cost so much and it isnt just for the looks lol
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well the mobo is a bit outdated, idk how well your rigged up vrm cooling is doing. also dont know what kind of a power phase design is used on that mobo. maybe a better mobo+bios could wield you that 3.8 easily. i mean there is a reason why mobos can cost so much and it isnt just for the looks lol
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My mobo has 3+1(bad), Ferrite chokes(good), solid capacitors(good), 3 legged mosfets with no RDS on(bad), 4 pin PSU port (bad), and no 8 legged mosfet chip driver but a 3rd 3 legged mosfet chip (bad), with no heatsink, suffice to say, even though it's 'rated' to be okay for 125w/quadcores, it's probably not advisable to do so. I sawed up an old heatsink and taped it on to help, but if my motherboard blew out I wouldn't be surprised. The price was good and I didn't know better at the time.

I write stuff down: Belial's Guide: How to build a budget PC (At teamliquid.net)

I still don't understand how my motherboard is limiting me. I understand that I need to be careful because of my VRMs, but as long as the motherboard hasn't blown out, it shouldn't be a factor in overclocking, right? From what I've read of 125*C being a VRM limit, I'm not reaching that, so I'm okay.

So far I've been stability limited, although it might be temp limit because my temps are around 55*C-60*C, which I hear is when phenom ii's start to become unstable. Or maybe I'm not putting enough voltage in, I'd be okay with crossing the 1.55 line but I don't know how dangerous that is and how bad going above 60*C is.

I'm a bit confused on how to read the prime95 results log:
Code:
[Tue Nov 06 10:44:06 2012]
Self-test 640K passed!
Self-test 640K passed!
Self-test 640K passed!
Self-test 640K passed!
[Tue Nov 06 11:00:04 2012]
Self-test 8K passed!
Self-test 8K passed!
Self-test 8K passed!
Self-test 8K passed!

Does this mean the system crashed at FFT 8k, or at a different fft value?
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I have used a sewing needle for a broke pin. cut the needle off to just stick out of the socket an make sure the cpu makes good contact with it. have used this method twice. an both rigs are still running strong.
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You know, I happened to be basically out of thermal paste when I put phenom, but there was a lot of leftover paste from the athlon, as in still all over the hyper 212 heatsink. I've always heard that too little is better than too much with thermal paste anyways. i put on a tiny bit of paste that i had leftover though.

But my gpu has a ton of thermal paste gunked around it. I was thinking of getting a knife, scraping some of that excess gpu thermal paste, and using that to reseat the hyper 212 lol.

i just feel like the temps are kind of questionable. i suppose i dont have much to go on that, at stock settings with cnq off, it seems to run around 30*C idle/mild browsing on stock...
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Dropped voltage to 1.35+.2v=1.502vcore, 3.7ghz, seems to stay right below 55*C, seems to be better.
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i would stay there for now, and dont worry about the tim, it looks fine fro those voltages, only way it could get much better would be to buy some good stuff and do it properly, (cleaned, 99% rubbing, arctic silver etc)
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