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Sorry I had to delete all the rest of the crap from your post so I could address what you said to me. I call Libre Office Open Office because it is Open Office. Its the same program the same interface and the same amount of suckage. Thats #1
2) THERE WERE PEOPLE CLAIMING THAT WIN8 WOULD NOT RUN STEAM or SOME GAMES. <--- read please... So I was just debunking that myth right then and there.
3) I read the article unlike half the posters in here. What I heard was whining. Sorry you don't like it.
And that's exactly it. when I was 15-20 and didn't have a real job and had time all day to screw with a command console my favorite operating systems were DOS and Debian Linux. But I do not have time for that crap these days. If crap cannot work and be half way intuitive then I cannot use it. And just so any linux fanatic knows. I do have the newest ubuntu and a fairly recent version of mint on 2 USB flash drives for flash booting. Its still not useable for the average user much less me.
That must be why we graduate more engineers and science majors than any other country.
As far as the rankings go. They pound this into us in the education field. They also put a * next to those rankings. the US tests ALL ALL ALL STUDENTS Whereas the other countries (primarily the european and asian countries kicking our butts) only test the students that have made it to (in your case in London) A levels. you know 16 - 18 year olds who aren't cognitively disabled, failures, or lazy. Well if we took out the failures and the lazy ones from our country I think you'd find you aren't outscoring us. When the numbers are so badly skewed yes it looks like the US is stupid. If you tested all students and not just the ones going to A levels or advanced schooling then I think we'd find the US is a little more in line with everyone else or perhaps even better.
And... Frankly, nobody who knows anything about education would argue against the fact the U.S. has the finest university system in the world. If we didn't people would be going to your country instead of ours to get University Degrees. (the ones who can afford to do we graduate more people from China and India than the UK graduates PERIOD) If you care so much about college degrees overall. 54% of the People in the Russian Federation have a college degree. Their economy kicks butt! (citation later)
Also as far as economy goes. If our economy sucked so bad it wouldn't be the largest economy in the world. Someone would have overtaken us by now. Additionally, when we go into recession it wouldn't cause the world economy to follow us in. You know, if our economy was so terribly ranked.
Per capita income rankings notice almost every country AHEAD of us is a CITY STATE (except norway Go norway!)
1 Liechtenstein $ 143,900
2 Qatar $ 104,300
3 Luxembourg $ 81,100
4 Bermuda $ 69,900
5 Singapore $ 60,500
6 Jersey $ 57,000
7 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) $ 55,400
8 Norway $ 54,200
9 Brunei $ 50,000
10 Hong Kong $ 49,800
11 United States $ 49,000
Britain's ranking
33 United Kingdom $ 36,600
EU's ranking
38 European Union $ 34,500
Russia's ranking (54% have a college degree)
71 Russia $ 17,000
^source CIA world factbook (additionally all of their info is from validated UN studies like per capita income)
So please feed your unsourced opinions about education and economics somewhere else.

Considering I am from United States and not only see it in test results but in applicants that apply for jobs in general backs up my claim. When I come across teachers that grade students when in fact they should be grading themselves because their answer key has incorrect solutions to simple math problems I take issue. I am a hiring manager and am embarrassed for my own generation and the ones that follow. For every reasonable person I come across I have to sift through ten other incompetent people.

The only reason London was brought up was because the person who's post I was replying to had that as their location.

Wait 15 years and watch our great country fall because of our failing education system as the older competent people retire.
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post #152 of 289
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Originally Posted by DMHernandez View Post

I don't think many people are against steam running on linux. I'm a windows user and I have no problems with valve pushing games into linux as well.
The problem people seem to have is when Gabe start making claims that most people are yet to see coming true.
I understand people disliking metro UI.
I understand people wanting games in linux.
I don't understand why people are hating on windows 8 for being "bad for games" when most of the games will run slightly faster in 8 and steam/origins and such are available and fully functional (at least as functional as they were in windows 7).
I like valve and I enjoy using windows, if Gabe decides to move away from it for no aparent reason other than not wanting to compete with windows store, I'm done dealing with them. Now, if Microsoft ever blocks programs like Steam from working in their OS, I'll be done with them too.
Stop freaking out over something that is pretty much speculation at this point.
I LL let halo 4 reply:(halo 4 won't be on windows)
post #153 of 289
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Alright, first I'll have to point out that I'm in no way trying to take any kind of high ground (or whatever you imagined I meant that provoked the high horse comment).
And secondly, what features does Word have that one needs to write a thesis? Any that LibreOffice doesn't? I can't think of one thing that you can do in Word that you couldn't do in Writer - though some things will inevitably be harder or more annoying to do. Likewise for typesetting - for a big written piece, I just won't trust a word processor to make it there safely. Sure, they can do it, I don't doubt that for one moment. Typesetting just makes it a lot easier. Whether it be Word or Writer, they usually screw something up (usually layout - in particular, in my experience bullet points and indentation to word processors seem to be like high-end audio and wireless to Linux), and fixing that crap is a massive pain in the back. Even with its learning curve and certain things taking more time I still end up getting more work done since I don't have to worry about the layout nearly as much, and I get far more consistent output without any funny glitches.
As for LaTeX specifically, since you bought it up - well, carniflex already mentioned bibtex. The only other specific I can mention off the top of my head is that if you've got a lot of equations to deal with, LaTeX is a blessing.
I need sleep.
I haven't used LibreOffice, but the latest release of OpenOffice is still extremely buggy and lacks features compared to Word.

As far as the advantages of LaTeX, I just don't see it. I don't need consistent output across platforms, since I'll need to convert it to PDF at the end anyway as per my school's requirements. There are lots of reference managers for both Word and OpenOffice, so Bibtex isn't an advantage either.

And I can also import LaTeX math equations into word if I need to.

The high horse comment was in response to you calling word processors "toys." Seemed kind of condescending.
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Says the guy that has a platform that is entirely closed....What an arrogant thing to say.
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

I mentioned Steam because:
A) This article is about Steam.
B) Steam pioneered the base closed gaming platform model that Origin and Uplay are simply copying.
The fact of the matter is that we have the creator of the most popular closed gaming platform model on PC, complaining about a platform that is actually much more open and scaremongering people against it based on absolutely no facts.
While at the same time, he is taking his world famous closed gaming platform to another OS known for its open-ness so he can dominate gaming on it via his massively successful closed platform.
While complaining about closed platforms.
Its comical at best tbh.
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How many publishers are available is not relevant regarding "closedness".
The pure fact is that nothing can be changed, added or modified within the Steam platform, unless one single entity authorizes it. So for Valve to chastise Microsoft for "maybe/potentially" doing something that they themselves actually doing right now, right at this very moment, makes me have to scratch my head a bit.
It kind of reminds me of the political technique of "projection".
The best way of deflecting criticism away from yourself for carrying out a certain action, is to vehemently claim that somebody else is doing it, even if they are not.
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What better way to make people accepting/less critical of your goal of creating an all Steam centric gaming platform within another platform, by telling everyone to be careful of the "other guy" who could "possibly" be making a closed platform, even if that possiblity is as probable as you ever opening up your own currently existing closed platform wink.gif

I know its been quoted, but I just feel it deserves another bump. A very fine observation indeed. There are quite a few that don't/won't see Valve/Steam for what it is. I feel they too are projecting onto Steam what they want Steam to be, because its the closest best thing. It's almost like people think that if they believe and say that Gabe/Valve/Steam is "for the people" and "gamings best hope" or w/e every want to say, that it might actually come true.

When in fact, its just a very successful business model that makes millions and millions of dollars selling other peoples hard work. Sure they sell a few of their own games, but its a drop in the bucket at best. Steam is a Social client overlay on top of DRM software with a built in store. I have no clue why its worshiped as it is...
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Valve complaining about closed platform?
Well, that's interesting I guess...
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A lot of F2P games have their own client, social interface, DRM, etc. Those are closed platforms as well. A closed platform by the likes of Microsoft and Apple would basically demolish the competition. Do you want two choices or many choices?
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A lot of F2P games have their own client, social interface, DRM, etc. Those are closed platforms as well. A closed platform by the likes of Microsoft and Apple would basically demolish the competition. Do you want two choices or many choices?

The problem with this argument is that the supposed closed platform (regarding software availability/distribution) from Microsoft does not actually exist, whereas the person/company accusing Microsoft of said closed system actually literally made their name in the industry by creating the most closed gaming distribution platform model that exists in PC gaming.

Not to mention that a closed platform in the form of Steam appearing and dominating on Linux would actually "demolish the competition" within the Linux environment, as opposed to the imaginary situation being proposed by those same people looking to dominate Linux.

Again "projection":

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Peter Gay describes projection as "the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable—too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous—by attributing them to another."[10]
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Projection can also be established as a means of obtaining or justifying certain actions that would normally be found atrocious or heinous. This often means projecting false accusations, information, etc., onto an individual for the sole purpose of maintaining a self-created illusion.

Edited by GrizzleBoy - 11/6/12 at 12:32pm
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The problem with this argument is that the supposed closed platform (regarding software availability/distribution) from Microsoft does not actually exist, whereas the person/company accusing Microsoft of said closed system actually literally made their name in the industry by creating the most closed gaming distribution platform model that exists in PC gaming.

Not to mention that a closed platform in the form of Steam appearing and dominating on Linux would actually "demolish the competition" within the Linux environment, as opposed to the imaginary situation being proposed by those same people looking to dominate Linux.

Again "projection":

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Peter Gay describes projection as "the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable—too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous—by attributing them to another."[10]
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Projection can also be established as a means of obtaining or justifying certain actions that would normally be found atrocious or heinous. This often means projecting false accusations, information, etc., onto an individual for the sole purpose of maintaining a self-created illusion.

It does exist in the form of Windows RT.

Microsoft has always been a historic adversary of Linux. Didn't Ballmer say Linux was a cancer? The rift between Steam and Linux has not occurred yet.
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Windows RT is a dedicated tablet OS that runs on ARM based chips which don't run x86 applications in the first place.
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