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It doesn't even matter.
I shouldn't have to use any work-around, half-assed fix, nor should I have to go digging through Steams directory to launch a game I legitimately paid for, all because Steam's service is "too busy to handle my request."
Steam is just a giant hindrance. They might as well install spyware on my computer and tell me "it's healthy for the gaming industry." Steam is a closed platform, and it's so controlling, I can't even dictate where I want my games to install to in the first place!
Nothing more than DRM so Gabe Newell can make more money.
If Linux users want gaming on Linux, they should demand developers release games directly on Linux, and tell Valve to go shove it. Because Steam is the contrary to open source.

I like Steam for its good parts and its bad parts never got in my way, also you can choose the installation folder since March with the Beta
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Ooh Steam is contrary to open source...

I'm pretty sure 99% of the games won't release their source code either.

So they're definitely not open source.

Better ban them from Linux

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What I don't understand is why anyone thinks its a closed platform? If programs ever ceased working on a new windows program from previous windows versions (especially something like steam or others) you'd see a mass exodus. Microsoft isn't stupid. Unless you think android (linux variant) is closed all Microsoft has done is start competing with iOS and Android on the mobile front while unifying the ecosystem of phone, tablet, PC. I think it was a damned smart move because if they hadn't made it they would have taken a huge hit in this decade. Most people are not us. Most people are going to be dropping Desktops and even laptops for tablets. The majority of users do nothing more than light browsing and video watching. Only power users like us will have desktops 5 years from now. At best people leaving their last desktop alive until it's so outdated it cannot run the newest version of such and such web browser. Change is coming and we need to accept it.

Yeah I personally think it's a smart move as well but I want it to stay how it is and not move further. If they decide that every application in the desktop can only be installed through the store then that will be bad
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Yeah I personally think it's a smart move as well but I want it to stay how it is and not move further. If they decide that every application in the desktop can only be installed through the store then that will be bad

That would be suicide unless they somehow said they would grandfather in all old programs with some sort of special exemption (kind of like non-steam games in steam) I just don't see that happening. One reason people STICK with windows over linux is legacy software that linux still does not run. Heck I know thats the reason I haven't switched. Linux doesn't support a lot of software I NEED for productivity.


Think about the corporations and businesses that use windows. Would they EVER upgrade again if they were told their legacy software wouldn't work? Thats Microsoft's bread and butter. They can't ignore that.
 
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That would be suicide unless they somehow said they would grandfather in all old programs with some sort of special exemption (kind of like non-steam games in steam) I just don't see that happening. One reason people STICK with windows over linux is legacy software that linux still does not run. Heck I know thats the reason I haven't switched. Linux doesn't support a lot of software I NEED for productivity.
Think about the corporations and businesses that use windows. Would they EVER upgrade again if they were told their legacy software wouldn't work? Thats Microsoft's bread and butter. They can't ignore that.

These are exactly my thoughts, it would definitely be a suicide for them I am just staying open in the possibility.
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Heck I know thats the reason I haven't switched. Linux doesn't support a lot of software I NEED for productivity.

I feel exactly the same, I have many software that do not exist in Linux and I don't want to use WINE.
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Me and many others are unwilling to use Windows 8 not because it's different, but because in some of the ways it differs its worse in our opinion. Stop trying to imply we're all scared of change.


Please name the base difference in the operating system that does not have to do with the metro that is worse. I am curious because my opinion is (and your opinion is valid I just want to understand it) that the only thing people on this website seem to think is "worse" is the metro interface.


I think the interface changed and people are upset about that. Psychologically and Sociologically I think you'd find that the assessment that most people are scared of change when something they have held onto is changed is a pretty accurate one.

UAC and the lack of a true, easily accessed admin account without breaking a bunch of things which really points to MS moving to a closed system or at least trying to get into a position where they can easily do it.

Oh yes, for sure, does that mean everyone is scared of change for changes sake? I've been using W8 in a VM/on my laptop for over a month and a half on and I dislike Metro because for me, it's a change for the worse. Seriously, implying that everyone is against W8 simply because they're scared of change might be like saying someone is scared of a cure for cancer because it's a change..but it's also like complaining about someone being unhappy about getting cancer and saying they're just scared of the change.
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If Linux users want gaming on Linux, they should demand developers release games directly on Linux, and tell Valve to go shove it. Because Steam is the contrary to open source.

I see some form of DRM like Steam as a neccessary evil and quite frankly, while in a perfect world I'd love it to be community made and completely open source (Hence, we get improvements as long as someone who knows how to code finds it an issue so stuff like Offline Mode sucking wouldn't be a problem for long) I'd rather Valve than EA or Ubisoft doing it, at least Valve tends to have the community in mind even if they also profit from it..EA on the other hand..do I really need to go into everything they've either done or been involved in that screwed over consumers?

This also solves the issue of fragmentation on Linux for game developers, instead of having to release a .deb, .rpm, etc or try to get every user to learn how to install from scratch (Not happening) they can just put it on Steam and let Valve worry about other distros/power users worry about getting Steam onboard.
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Yeah I personally think it's a smart move as well but I want it to stay how it is and not move further. If they decide that every application in the desktop can only be installed through the store then that will be bad

That would be suicide unless they somehow said they would grandfather in all old programs with some sort of special exemption (kind of like non-steam games in steam) I just don't see that happening. One reason people STICK with windows over linux is legacy software that linux still does not run. Heck I know thats the reason I haven't switched. Linux doesn't support a lot of software I NEED for productivity.


Think about the corporations and businesses that use windows. Would they EVER upgrade again if they were told their legacy software wouldn't work? Thats Microsoft's bread and butter. They can't ignore that.

See the other part of my post..Ballmer isn't exactly the most calm and collected person, and he's been mentioned as one of the worst CEOs multiple times (Admittedly, his rating has raised to 48% since then..That's still low however) and you only have to look at some youtube Videos to see some examples of him. I wouldn't be surprised if he has at least a suspicion or hope that he can do it.
Would he ever get to? No. Like you said, companies would be ultra annoyed and consumers aren't going to tablets/smartphones only unlike what MS seems to be acting like right now.

There is certainly no definite evidence that MS is going to try and lock down Windows in future, however it's obvious from the internal changes in Windows 8 that they're at least trying to head towards that direction, the new Metro API could move towards that too; keep Win32 compatibility but try to push developers to the new Metro platform (ie. Apps that go on WP8, WinRT and W8) until legacy support for Win32 isn't as required or seen as useful anymore, then drop Win32 and lock Windows for the name of "security". I cannot stress enough that this is not me saying this will definitely happen, but it certainly is possible.
    
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i think it's interesting how w8 is actually very linux like in a lot of ways. they stole the touch friendly ui idea from gnome and also added an app store, which ubuntu has had forever. of course it is still very bloated compared to linux
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Could some one explain why Steam, Windows, or Apple is a "closed" system? I am not sure I understand why any one is calling any one of them closed. I guess I can see how Steam is "closed" since you can only get the software that Valve puts on there, but it is a service...not a platform. You don't run a game on Steam...you run the Steam game on whatever operating system you have running (provided the game version works on it). I mean that is like saying Amazon is a "closed" system if they don't have a certain item for sale on it. The App Stores are the same way...just services.

However, if you are running Linux, a Mac or Windows 8 you can still install whatever you want...provided the developer made the product to work on said operating system. How that can be locked or closed system...I don't know.
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I use Windows 8 with a mouse and keyboard just fine. Keyboard shortcuts are.. the key. biggrin.gif

Seriously though if you've adopted Win8 already I highly recommend reading this article if you'd like some power user control back.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/windows_8_tips_guide8731

As far as the Windows APP store goes it seems to be geared primarily for tablets/phones etc. Nothing useful for the desktop user. Actually one of the first things I did was remove most of the useless stock APPs. The only one I really use is the mail app because I like the integration with GMail. I know this was completely off topic but Win8 is not really that bad at all and the new task manager is BOSS!
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Whatever, the music app is great as well as the video app. I also really like the mail and sports apps....
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