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I just think they could have done better for the price, is all.
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I have never seen Android being reduced to being nothing more than something to surf for porn while on the can. How is this possible?

I think Windows 8 is just too heavy on resources to be squished into a tablet. A tablet needs a light OS to work with the hardware limitations. Also, the biggest consumer for tablets is not tech saavy enthusiasts, it is people with barely enough knowledge to understand why they aren't getting the space as advertised. Manufacturers need to be clearer for the average person as to why the size is different from what is advertised.
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WHO CARES! They all do it...Why wouldn't they? Out of the gate, Surface is more functional and more expandable than iPad and most Android tablets. Most pre-built PC have recovery partitions on them, so why do you think its somehow different from a tab. Why do you think the "average joe" would care about the partition on Surface, as opposed to pre-built PCs.
And Office isn't bloat.

Windows 7 would like to have a word with you.

But who cares when http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131398& is available? 128gig SSD, 1024 levels of wacom penabled goodness.

Surface uses some unknown infrared technology for its pen, Samsung's S-Pen is manufactured by Wacom and is a tried and tested brand.
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Why don't you just get a job?

This right here is the same level of arrogance an Apple advocate would normally show.

Windows users, aren't you supposed to be better?
Edited by Kand - 11/6/12 at 4:40am
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Case point, HDD's. A 1TB HDD, do you really get the advertised "apparent" 1024 GB....no you get about 950+GB usable.
But do I see people wingeing and crying about that?

This is the worst possible argument you can make because it is completely irrelevant to the Surface.

A 1 TB HDD has 1000 billion bytes of storage. That is exactly what a terabyte is. Windows, however, displays storage, not in TB, but TiB which causes the confusion. You ARE getting your advertised space when you buy a 1 TB HDD, that 1 TB is just displayed with a different measure of size when you look at it in Windows. And people HAVE cried about that. They've made lawsuits about it.
I suggest that you learn what the difference is between tera- and tebibytes.

This is completely irrelevant to the Surface story, because the chips in the Surface DO provide 32/64 GB AKA. ~30/60 GiB. The problem is that the OS uses up 12-13 GiB of that space.
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This is the worst possible argument you can make because it is completely irrelevant to the Surface.
A 1 TB HDD has 1000 billion bytes of storage. That is exactly what a terabyte is. Windows, however, displays storage, not in TB, but TiB which causes the confusion. You ARE getting your advertised space when you buy a 1 TB HDD, that 1 TB is just displayed with a different measure of size when you look at it in Windows.

I've always thought of space in binary prefixes, and just thought it was a marketing ploy not too.
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When the average app takes up no more than 10 Mbs that's actually not too bad.
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Are you so dumb as to compare apples to oranges? What you do with your SSD after OCZ sells it to you is your business. Someone buying a 32gb surface has no choice; half of the "advertised" storage is gone. People look at the storage when comparing features. It's borderline false advertisement next to iPad or android tablets, since their OS takes up far less space.

They're advertising a 32 Gb hard drive not 32 Gbs of free space. Just because half of the hard drive is taken up by the OS doesn't mean that half has vanished, you're still getting what you paid for.
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50% loss out of the box. Nuff said.
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I've always thought of space in binary prefixes, and just thought it was a marketing ploy not too.
I'm not a huge expert on hard drives, but I don't think its a marketing ploy. Wiki tells me that the kilo-, mega- and giga- were originally used for both the binary and SI definition. Because kilo, Mega and giga are SI-prefixes for 10^n, separate binary prefixes were made. Microsoft just chose not to use them. Mac OTOH actually displays a 1 TB drive as 1 TB. They round to 1000, unlike Microsoft.
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Correct. Storage manufacturers do tend to use the base-10 definitions because it's advantageous to them to do so though. Space on the mainstream PC platform has always been related in base-2 units in software. It wasn't a big deal when we were still measuring stuff in kilobytes because when you're talking about 50 KB it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

Diskettes always caused confusion since you could never stick 1.44 base-2 MB of data on them. To further complicate things, diskettes were rated in thousands of base-2 KB to make diskette-MB. That is to say a 1.44 MB diskette is 1440 x 1024 bytes instead of 1475 base-2 KB like 1.44 base-2 MB would be.

It's also confusing in that there are de facto measurement standards for different sorts of things. Communication speeds are almost always related in base-10 bits per second instead of bytes of either flavor. Discs (CDs, DVDs, etc) are rated in base-10 bytes. Solid state non-volatile memory is usually rated in base-2 bits except in final products. Solid state volatile memory is usually rated in base-2 bytes in final product form but bits are common in IC form. Disk media is usually rated in base-10 bytes. There are reasons each of these are done. In the case of memory ICs, it's because internally they're structured in base-2 friendly ways. This lends itself to another potential area for mischief. The ICs for electronic memory are sold in plain base-2 definition measurements of bits and bytes. A 64 gigabit NAND flash IC has 68.7 billion bits available for storage for example (a full 8 base-2 GB). It's only the final products that start to fudge those numbers, lending back to the common practice of using base-10 definitions for hard drives and discs.

I suppose my point is that how to rate a given amount of storage has never been a uniform, friendly affair. It always has been complicated and I don't think it's reasonable to expect consumers to know the difference. They can't even tell bits and bytes apart. That being said, if somebody sells a device as having 64 GB of space and some of it is used by the system, I think that is perfectly reasonable. It's more honest than the old days of CRT size measurements where you would see something like "21-inch monitor (19.7-inches viewable)". We could learn something from that though and sell tablet devices that way so that customers are more clear on what they're getting: "64 GB internal solid state drive (46 GB free)".
Edited by Particle - 11/6/12 at 7:41am
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