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Now that we're all on the same page, it's time to dissect this rumor and show that, at least in the near and medium term (and probably long term), it is likely to be bogus.

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To be honest they may not be leaving Intel but they don't need x86. Put a fork in x86 because with the release of windowr8RT the 1984 way of cpu processing is in a coma. Even Valve is pushing a move to Linux which can have it Kernal set to use processors other than x86. Apples tight control over their Unix Based operating system allow them to migrate to a non x86 processor when they want to. Honestly a move to something like the combined cpu and graphics cores of many of the multi core arm processors seems like a no brainier for them. Their OS is already pretty easy and streamlined to use. If they can find a way to make it even easier to use such as what is in IOS then the days of x86 are over.
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post #3 of 15
Should probably fix the typo in the title.
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Wow, only people who know absolutely nothing about processors would make this claim. Switching instruction sets? Not going to happen without serious reasons (like the G5 being way too hot for laptops). It really ends there.
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Until ARM is anywhere near as fast as X86, I can't see Mac moving to ARM.
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Originally Posted by drufause View Post

To be honest they may not be leaving Intel but they don't need x86. Put a fork in x86 because with the release of windowr8RT the 1984 way of cpu processing is in a coma. Even Valve is pushing a move to Linux which can have it Kernal set to use processors other than x86. Apples tight control over their Unix Based operating system allow them to migrate to a non x86 processor when they want to. Honestly a move to something like the combined cpu and graphics cores of many of the multi core arm processors seems like a no brainier for them. Their OS is already pretty easy and streamlined to use. If they can find a way to make it even easier to use such as what is in IOS then the days of x86 are over.

Except that ARM or any other competing architecture is still now where as near as fast as x86 is, it will be a while before you start to see mainstream laptops make the migration, the only alternative is that they are moving to AMD instead which is possible as there are rumors floating about on the internet on that.
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This would have been the third time Apple has changed instruction sets since its existence and each time has been a nightmare for everyone. Intel moved away from Power because its performance per watt in relation to Intel was no longer an advantage and I see the same thing happening with ARM. Intel is fast approaching the mW power scale with x86 while still maintaining the performance levels expected of this legacy ISA.

On the integrated graphics side of the equation, I see Intel winning by a long shot again as mobile graphics are still three years away from where consoles were seven years ago which is ~ 250Gflops in raw compute compared to the fastest mobile graphics of 75Gflops.

I just don't see Apple moving away from Intel in their Mac lineup as it will mean Bootcamp and thus Windows, will be unable to work on Macs.
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This again?
 
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post #9 of 15
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Wow, only people who know absolutely nothing about processors would make this claim. Switching instruction sets? Not going to happen without serious reasons (like the G5 being way too hot for laptops). It really ends there.
Apple has done it before though in recent memory.

People who don't know Apple would at least consider this claim....
1) A major advantage of Apple is vertical intergration.
2) Apple has invested hundreds of millions into acquiring ARM talent.
3) OSX and iOS are becoming more alike.
4) ARM performance is still rapidly increasing.
5) iMac and Apple servers have not recieved much focus and making up less of their revenue.
6) "Good enough" computing was achieved years ago (even Intel admits that Core 2 Duo years ago basically meets this bar.)
7) Battery life and size have become more important than performance (see Intel's recent and upcoming architectures)

It's not hard to consider that ARM may be appearing in at least the MBA in a few years.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sidewaykill View Post

Until ARM is anywhere near as fast as X86, I can't see Mac moving to ARM.
ARM doesn't have to be as fast as x86. ARM CPUs only have to be good enough.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post

This would have been the third time Apple has changed instruction sets since its existence and each time has been a nightmare for everyone. Intel moved away from Power because its performance per watt in relation to Intel was no longer an advantage and I see the same thing happening with ARM. Intel is fast approaching the mW power scale with x86 while still maintaining the performance levels expected of this legacy ISA.
On the integrated graphics side of the equation, I see Intel winning by a long shot again as mobile graphics are still three years away from where consoles were seven years ago which is ~ 250Gflops in raw compute compared to the fastest mobile graphics of 75Gflops.
I just don't see Apple moving away from Intel in their Mac lineup as it will mean Bootcamp and thus Windows, will be unable to work on Macs.
The vertical integration may be reason for Apple to go with ARM. They can differentiate themselves better than using commodity x86 parts. Look at the iPhone 5's A6... it's a customized of Cortex-A9 with huge memory bandwidth and perfectly fits their needs.

Don't forget Windows supports ARM now...
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

Apple has done it before though in recent memory.
People who don't know Apple would at least consider this claim....
1) A major advantage of Apple is vertical intergration.
2) Apple has invested hundreds of millions into acquiring ARM talent.
3) OSX and iOS are becoming more alike.
4) ARM performance is still rapidly increasing.
5) iMac and Apple servers have not recieved much focus and making up less of their revenue.
6) "Good enough" computing was achieved years ago (even Intel admits that Core 2 Duo years ago basically meets this bar.)
7) Battery life and size have become more important than performance (see Intel's recent and upcoming architectures)
It's not hard to consider that ARM may be appearing in at least the MBA in a few years.
ARM doesn't have to be as fast as x86. ARM CPUs only have to be good enough.
The vertical integration may be reason for Apple to go with ARM. They can differentiate themselves better than using commodity x86 parts. Look at the iPhone 5's A6... it's a customized of Cortex-A9 with huge memory bandwidth and perfectly fits their needs.
Don't forget Windows supports ARM now...

We can pretty much say /thread here smile.gif. Good sum-up Duckie!
 
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