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I find this hilarious... and, like always, full of crap. Logitech is probably the last one to jump ship and join all the others who have been selling quality mechs for a long time now... yet they do it very poorly. Why?

a) The only good thing about any G15 and derivatives was its LCD... yet we have no LCD on this logitech unit.
b) Nobody needs macro keys... because it just takes a few minutes to setup and use autohotkey and turn each and any key to a macro-unit. Seriously, I don't see the point to need any software for your keyboard.
c) If you want your mech to be silent... go after ruber o-rings. Thats it, and they are rather cheap to get.
d) They feature leds as if they were so good after all.... and when there are a plethora of other options out there, most of them being cheaper and probably having better quality.

Bad, Logitech, bad. Not only you come late to the party, but only offer 1 MECHANISM type and nothing else. Luckily, Cooler Master went a very different way and brought us the best keyboard possible (a Filco copy, nonetheless) for a very very very low price. Unless you truly need to use the keypad... I'd suggest you go after a Quick Fire Rapid. Probably the best quality at an insane price... heck, just check how much a Filco keyboard is then check how well priced the QFR are (I know cause I've got one of each in the same switch. Same OEM behind).
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Originally Posted by SpankyMcFlych View Post

Is it only usb? I thought that the PS/2 connector was superior to usb in preventing ghosting (ie more simultaneous key-presses possible)?

Nah, thats all marketing. You can get more than enough KRO over USB so ps/2 its just plain stupid... as is NKRO, and the stupid marketing name "anti-ghosting".

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Originally Posted by XNine View Post

I just want Logitech to update the G13 to mechanical. I use a G13 for gaming, and my Logitech Illuminated for typing (I prefer chiclet style for typing, I know, I'm weird).

The illuminated doesn't use chiclet, pal, it uses scissor switch biggrin.gif VERY different animals, if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by Mach 5 View Post

Ive never understood the hype around mechanical keyboards...what makes them different to any other keyboard?

a) They last A LOT more. The typical ruber-dome keyboard has a lifetime around a few million clicks... whereas the typical Cherry MX switch has a lifetime of 50.000.000.
b) They keystroke doesn't change during the lifetime. Ruber-dome mechanisms get bad during use... which means that the tact changes on time... which creates a very crappy experience. This is something you normally don't realise until you hang with a mech keyboard for some time and then have to go back to used ruber-domes.. yikes rolleyes.gif
c) The keystroke feels MUCH nicer, also.

All in all, a mech is a very good idea. But I'm not talking about uper expensive filled with marketing crap such as this Logitech... but about high-quality units such as:

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,fullsize&pid=fc500rtab

If you want it silent you can buy ruber o-rings, they are dirty chip and it takes little to no time to put them on... and you will keep your warranty no problem.

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Originally Posted by qcktthfm1 View Post

It's not a hype. It's about the switch responsive. Every keypress actuate point is accurate. So we can type faster, play game better. Before using a mech keyboard, I can't dodge bullet or cover fast enough, I thought I lag in game. Now the responsive switch save me lots game lives biggrin.gif

You can type faster, but you don't play any better. No, response for any keyboard is as good as it gets for gaming purposes... the difference lies within the feeling on each keystroke and the durability. You won't play better with a mech, no, unless you need a very tactile keyboard for your gaming sessions.
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Originally Posted by prava View Post

*snip* Logitech is probably the last one to jump ship and join all the others who have been selling quality mechs for a long time now... yet they do it very poorly. Why?
a) The only good thing about any G15 and derivatives was its LCD... yet we have no LCD on this logitech unit.
b) Nobody needs macro keys... because it just takes a few minutes to setup and use autohotkey and turn each and any key to a macro-unit. Seriously, I don't see the point to need any software for your keyboard.
c) If you want your mech to be silent... go after ruber o-rings. Thats it, and they are rather cheap to get.
d) They feature leds as if they were so good after all.... and when there are a plethora of other options out there, most of them being cheaper and probably having better quality. *snip*

1. Show me a mechanical keyboard that does have an LCD screen. I'm newer to the mech scene and have not seen one. headscratch.gif

2. I use macros and don't need the software to macro-record which are all provided on the keyboard. I don't have it enabled and Logitech doesn't require it. smile.gif

3. A lot of people prefer Browns not only as a typing preference but being quieter. The fact they come with $20 O-rings on top of that without charging anymore than other good mechanical keyboard company than I'm all for the extra 'quite' I was also seeking. Thank you Logitech. thumb.gif

4. The LED features aren't as elaborate I would agree as say the new Ducky Shine II but they are adjustable with separate WASD & Arrow Keys. It's enough for me when the lights are off and I'm gaming. No worse than any other mechanical LED features which all vary a bit from board to board. They Shine II LED's I've seen are the best. However I wouldn't put down Logitech no more than any other top board company if the lights weren't exactly to my customization if the board was a great board anyway.

Last or not to the game they did come to the table and brought a solid keyboard as the reviews coming in are proving. I would also wonder why Logitech didn't do this sooner because they did do a great job in my eyes. This particular board however may not suit everyone's needs but doesn't make it any less quality. As for quality Logitech as proven that more than anyone else you can mention I personally feel they finally showed up to the party packing a punch.
 
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I love a good mechanical keyboard that isn't too flashy.
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If a manufacturer could do this kind of layout with a mechanical keyboard I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I get that mechanical keyboards are better for FPS (faster poll rate, multi key support etc), but I still hate the WASD layout on keyboards for FPS gaming.

stealth1.jpg

This 100%

A separate merc gamepad with mech keys, backlighting (optional) would be amazing. Still using an original Merc keyboard, though they keys feel a little worn now, still going lol.
 
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Honestly for keyboards Ducky or Max Keyboard and pick Logitech for your Mice. Nothing against Logitech keyboards as they are nice but just pale in comparison to those two which are reasonably priced. Max Keyboard offers full NKRO over USB also which is the only company to offer that I believe. Love Logitech and they build quality is definitely solid, but they just are out matched which is why I cannot wait for my Max Keyboard Nighthawk X8. Really wish that the Nostromo, Logi Gamepad and the Wolfking Warrior would be offered in a mech version. Those things would sell like hot cakes, first to market would be king as long as the quality wasn't crap and it was backlit.
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...As an owner of the G710+ and a Das brown switch and former owner of various CM keyboards, I think your criticisms are flawed.

I will admit that Logitech products are not top notch quality, as some of the logitech products I've owned have failed at some point, but Logitech's warranty service is absolutely nothing to scoff at, and I'd rather have 90% quality and great customer service to 95% quality and difficult customer service.

Logitech's reason for using Brown switches with white LED's with O-rings is simple; mass market penetration and distribution. We can argue circles all day about how the Ducky Shine II has better lighting profiles and how the G710+ is slightly oversized, but the advent of a quieter than standard mechanical keyboard with dedicated media buttons (including vol. control) using MX Browns which are considered the most middle of the road switch available is just them trying to appeal to the greatest amount of people, and they've got the distribution prowress to not have the same worries you might have in obtaining a keyboard (ahem Ducky). Besides the pricing is fair in regards to market, competitive when it goes on sale considering it offers built in O-rings, Media controls, Macro keys and backlighting (if you're worried about space, you'd be looking at a tenkeyless anyways). It's priced the same as if equipping a Leopold with O-rings minus backlighting, or a Nighthawk X8 + O-rings. Just comes down to asthetic + functional preference, as the keyboard isn't any worse than any other option.

Also, chiclet keyboard is a style of keyboard and pretty much all chiclet keyboards are scissor switch, so I guess he means he likes scissor switches.

I also put a review up in some thread, but I'm too lazy to find it.
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Originally Posted by Arizonian View Post

1. Show me a mechanical keyboard that does have an LCD screen. I'm newer to the mech scene and have not seen one. headscratch.gif
2. I use macros and don't need the software to macro-record which are all provided on the keyboard. I don't have it enabled and Logitech doesn't require it. smile.gif
3. A lot of people prefer Browns not only as a typing preference but being quieter. The fact they come with $20 O-rings on top of that without charging anymore than other good mechanical keyboard company than I'm all for the extra 'quite' I was also seeking. Thank you Logitech. thumb.gif
4. The LED features aren't as elaborate I would agree as say the new Ducky Shine II but they are adjustable with separate WASD & Arrow Keys. It's enough for me when the lights are off and I'm gaming. No worse than any other mechanical LED features which all vary a bit from board to board. They Shine II LED's I've seen are the best. However I wouldn't put down Logitech no more than any other top board company if the lights weren't exactly to my customization if the board was a great board anyway.
Last or not to the game they did come to the table and brought a solid keyboard as the reviews coming in are proving. I would also wonder why Logitech didn't do this sooner because they did do a great job in my eyes. This particular board however may not suit everyone's needs but doesn't make it any less quality. As for quality Logitech as proven that more than anyone else you can mention I personally feel they finally showed up to the party packing a punch.

1) My point is that the G15 and similar Logitech products were garbage keyboards with an LCD screen. So, the only good aspect for the keyboard was such screen... which you don't get on the G710 making it just as every other mech keyboard out there.

2) My point about macros is that you can have them without any software lying around. Shouldn't be included as a feature when you can have it on every single keyboard out there.

3) I do love browns... but let people decide for themselves. Also, o-rings make the feeling much worse (I've tried them), so for me they are a no-no (and, actually, a mechanical mechanism isn't noisy on its own... the noise comes from bottoming out). And, you can get a Leopold for $99 (which I bet has higher quality all over it), and put some o-rings in there for close to no extra cost, since o-rings themselves are rather cheap.

Also, I laugh at the reviews out there. Lets compare this to a Filco or Leopold and then we can discuss about quality. Its very easy to have a product stand out of the competition when the competition is mediocre and you keep the top dogs out of it... but keep in mind that for a mass produced product this keyboard is VERY EXPENSIVE, specially when you compare it against other offerings such as the Cooler Master Trigger with backlight, that is something between $30 and $60 cheaper depending on where you shop, and gives you the chance of choosing switch.

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Max Keyboard offers full NKRO over USB also which is the only company to offer that I believe. .

Stupid and useless feature is that: stupid and useless. Nobody needs more than 4KRO on any keyboard... and most USB mechs do up to 6KRO which is enough for 99,99999999% of the possible users.
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Damn. I just bought me the illuminate keyboard a month ago because of the white backlit. Thats a sexy ass keyboard
     
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I'm actually surprised it took them this long to enter the mech keyboard scene, they're a little late. Considering they are one of the best peripheral companies making cheap, reliable and durable stuff for so many years...I fear they may be too late to this game when Corsair/CM Storm/DAS already provide great mech keyboards.
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Logitech is typically on the cheap, not-so-durable, not-so-high-quality side of hardware, as evidenced by the above poster being on his third G710 already.
Not-so-durable? Was that some kind of a bad joke? Have you not heard of their legendary MX518/G400/G500 mice which are considered next to indestructible, and G110/G15 keyboards which were considered the most durable (and functional!) gaming keyboards before the mechanical hype hit? Logitech are all about durability/affordability and have a track record to prove it.

My G110 is 4 years old now, has been through hell and back and is still going great. Meanwhile my MX518 still feels as clicky as ever after 5 years of use.
Edited by Tippy - 11/9/12 at 2:35am
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Originally Posted by Killa Cam View Post

Damn. I just bought me the illuminate keyboard a month ago because of the white backlit. Thats a sexy ass keyboard

Don't worry, for what I've read the Illuminated is one of the best keyboards out there that feature a scissor switch. So, if you like the typing experience I don't think you can get it much better! thumb.gif
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