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Should a friend of mine switch from a Pentium G630 to an AMD setup?

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A friend of mine has a Pentium G630 on a basic mATX board and a GeForce 9800GT. He can either buy a Radeon 5830 and stay with his CPU/board, or he can get a new Trinity quad core with a built in 7-series GPU and a new board. If he chooses to switch to AMD, he can get $80 cash for his G630 and motherboard and then sell also the 9800GT.

I'm not saying that the graphics work so that 5830 = 9800GT = 7660D. What I mean is that a $50 FM2 board and a $130 CPU come out to be $100 after he sells his Intel parts for $80, and he can sell the 9800GT to recoup some more of the cost. Otherwise, he'd just spend a little bit of money, probably under $50, getting a 5830 and staying with his G630.

Which would be the best way to go?

Thanks!
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Will his PSU handle the 5830?

 

If you get the MSI A55 mATX with the new VRM design and the A10-5800k at NCIX both of those would cost only $170 shipped. With the resale value of the 9800GT taken into account, the capital cost of moving onto the power efficient APU platform should be about the same as adopting the 5830 or slightly less. The 7660G is about equal to 9800GT in GPU performance though.

 

What does this PC do? What games, if any? i.e. is Starcraft 2 part of the mix

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That sounds like a lot of work for a slight CPU upgrade and GPU sidegrade. The HD7660D in the A10-5800K APU is a bit under the HD6670 which is close to the performance of a 9800GT. He is better off sticking with his system and upgrading the GPU and then later upgrading to a faster LGA11155 CPU (depending on PSU and if it's an OEM PC or not). The HD5830 wouldn't be my pick unless it was insanely cheap. The HD5830 was severely crippled compared to the HD5850 while consuming more power, and was not that much faster than the HD5770. Older cards like that are also not as efficient as newer cards. I would get something more along the lines of an HD7850 1GB, HD6850, GTX460, or HD7770 depending on budget and desired performance.
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Will his PSU handle the 5830?
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What does this PC do? What games, if any? i.e. is Starcraft 2 part of the mix
The power supply is a Tagan 480W. His PC plays all the games it can manage. He has L.A. Noire, Skyrim, Saints Row, lots of Valve games, and so on. It's just grab bag gaming from Steam sales. What he has works for him, but I figured an upgrade would be nice. Hence, this thread. Thanks for the help!

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That sounds like a lot of work for a slight CPU upgrade and GPU sidegrade... He is better off sticking with his system and upgrading the GPU and then later upgrading to a faster LGA11155 CPU (depending on PSU and if it's an OEM PC or not)...
Thanks! It is a lot of work, but one advantage is that we get to sell someone who needs a PC a motherboard/CPU setup for $80. I guess if the friend with the hardware right now isn't feeling charitable, he might have to upgrade with what he has. The CPU can definitely be upgraded because the board is a retail MSI H61M-P31. We've been chatting about it, and though he'd be a mid-grade 6-series Radeon away from hybrid Crossfire with the new setup, it's all muddled and sidegrade-y. Well, thanks again for clearing it up.
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i dont see no reason why he should upgrade his cpu. but yes he should upgrade his video card for better performance. even a 7750 would be faster than 9800gt i think
    
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is that GPU not compatible to XF with the onboard GPU of the APU.... that is a huge advantage of these chips and if its possible it would be a smart option
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he would get a better frame boost from just pumping it all into a gpu(at ~180$, 1gb 7850 is a solid choice). the only games that will hurt the pentium g will be extremely cpu heavy games, which is the minority. sandy bridge alone should be enough power to run a 7850.
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Trinity quad core behaves like a Phenom II X4 which would help except it does not do single thread as well as Intel, by a lot.
HD 7660D is roughly equivalent to an HD6670 DDR3 graphics card. Yes you can Dual Hybrid Crossfire with an HD 6670 or HD 6570. Only. My understanding is memory speed and scaling matter,
Roughly Ivy Bridge and a GPU scale up more than Trinity, especially the Dual Crossfire.
The only kick is Trinity does DirectX11 while HD 5830 is DirectX10.

What do you think would be fun for you? Entertainment does not have to be strictly reasonable,
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The extra wattage of the 5830 is going to push that Tagan PSU, which is not a common brand today and I can't imagine it'd be that reliable. You may wish to avoid this card if staying on 1155. An APU would maintain graphics performance and some CPU performance while significantly improving power efficiency. A 6670 for CFX could be added in the future as an expansion. An A10-5700 + 6670 setup would consume close to or less than your current setup (given the A10-5700 power consumption is comparable to the Ivy i3 and the 6670's is much less than the 9800GT)

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i dont see no reason why he should upgrade his cpu. but yes he should upgrade his video card for better performance. even a 7750 would be faster than 9800gt i think
This is basically what I've been thinking, but he has a sub-$100 budget. By selling his setup and getting a whole new one, he's out a video card as well (he'd keep the 9800). He only has less than $100 for a new card, and a friend already has a 5830 for sale. It sort of works.

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is that GPU not compatible to XF with the onboard GPU of the APU....
Only the 6670 & 6570 can be used for Crossfire with the APU. That would be a separate $50 purchase, but it would be pretty cool & low on power consumption.

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he would get a better frame boost from just pumping it all into a gpu(at ~180$, 1gb 7850 is a solid choice).
The ability to pay $180 comes from getting $80 for selling his CPU and board though. But yeah, any GPU for ~$100 still makes sense.

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What do you think would be fun for you? Entertainment does not have to be strictly reasonable,
Seems reasonable. This and the stuff written up to it, but I didn't want to quote everything. Since the guy's PC is used as a fun gaming rig, it plays just whatever is fun to play regardless of the system requirements. If he is below the requirements and needs to play a game, he either skips as need is relative or he upgrades just a wee bit. All the possible options are wee upgrades, but there's nothing he can't play now. It's excess. He's living the American dream.

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... that Tagan PSU, which is not a common brand today and I can't imagine it'd be that reliable... An APU would maintain graphics performance and some CPU performance while significantly improving power efficiency.
Tagan might not be the stuff today, but it's a nice PSU nonetheless. I think it falls in efficiency and maybe voltage regulation - I'm not entirely sure except it was used by Tom's for testing until they outright dropped it - but since he's not overclocking on the 1155 socket, it's not too rough. This Tagan was temporarily used to run a 3.7GHz Phenom II X4 830, 4GB DDR3, and a 6950 for a couple days before another friend upgraded to a Silverstone 750W. I digress. I suppose if power efficiency isn't being pursued here, reasonably this budget gaming friend of mine probably could pull off running games on either rig. It should probably come down to immediate cost as compared with FPS and such. He doesn't pay for electricity.
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