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post #1 of 20
11/7/12 at 3:53am
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Have myself an [Xtreamer Pro]

But wanted more HDD bay for expansion as my 3TB HDD is almost full.

So being doing some research on HTPC. Found [SilverStone LC20B-M-USB3.0] would be perfect.

Being using Windows all my life... But would start using Linux Ubuntu x64+XBMC for this machine. [[[ ANY1 OUTHERE THAT HAS THIS SETUP NEED HELP AND ADVICE ON BUILD THANKS]]]

NOTE : This will NOT be a gaming machine.

USED FOR:
Watching Movies, TVShows, Music, Pictures by XBMC from HDMI on 42"LG 3Dtv
Browsing Net (FireFox)
Downloading (JDownloader)
Finding info and cover art for media (Media Center Master)
Ripping DVDs (DVDFab8 and AutoGK)
Convertering / Merging Files (Freemake Video Converter)
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SilverStone LC20B SST-LC20B-M-USB3.0 (black + multimedia)
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1st choice:
====================== Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Processor (CPU)
AMD A6-5400K Dual Core APU (3.6GHz) & Radeon™ HD 7540D Graphics

Motherboard
ASUS® F2A85-M: (M-ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, 6Gb/s)

Memory (RAM)
8GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 4GB)

Graphics Card [3D 1080p]
1GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 620 - DVI, HDMI, VGA - 3D Vision Ready [1080p]

Memory - 1st Hard Disk [NEED FAST BOOTUP - OS AND APPLICATIONS AND ISO BACKUP IMAGE]
1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 32MB CACHE

Main - HDD
3tb 3.5" SATAIII x4 ... maybe 4tb 3.5" SATAIIIx2

1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
12x BLU-RAY ROM DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW

Sound Card
ONBOARD 10 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO
HDMI Output (will be hooked up to my 42" LG 3Dtv)

Network Facilities
WiFi
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT

USB Options
2 x USB 3.0 PORTS [front]
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2nd choice: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H 890GX Motherboard
$130

Kingwin KF-1000-BK Tray-Less Hot Swap Rack
$25

AMD Phenom II Black Edition X6 1090T 3.2GHz
$300

Intel X25-M 80GB SATA II
$230

Patriot PV234G1600LLK Viper II Series DDR3 4GB
$140

Silverstone ST30NF 400W Fan-Less PSU
$140

Corsair H50 High Performance CPU Water Cooler
$80
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USB 3.0 + HDMI + TV TUNER
PLAY FILMS ETC FROM MAIN HDD 3TB/4TB
HAVE RAID SETUP TO BACKUP ALL HDDS FROM MAIN
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Edited by FCADrizzt - 11/7/12 at 4:59am
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post #2 of 20
11/8/12 at 7:56am

Your first choice makes no sense whatsoever to me. The a6-5400k is an Apu, that means that there's a cpu and a gpu on the same die (chip). The 7450D GPU is enough for what you are doing and the gt620 would only be a minor upgrade. You would just be waisting your money on a videocard. If you want more power go with a Radeon 6450 which is crossfireable with the APU's gpu.

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post #3 of 20
11/8/12 at 8:10am
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thanks for your reply Helvetia

1st choice is from this site in the htpc section
2nd choice is from youtube Fast and quiet HTPC

this will be mainly to play movies by XBMC on and have a RAID card on it to back up main drive to others (that i will be putting in)

could you give me your opinion or list that you would get for what i'm going to be using it for ...


thanks
Edited by FCADrizzt - 11/8/12 at 8:21am
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post #4 of 20
11/8/12 at 8:21am

Do not take the Asus mainboard since they have bad quality and the rma service is just horrible. The cpu I would leave. Change the ram to at least 1600mhz because you will be running an igp. Take away the videocard since it's not needed. You will not need any RAID card because the any fusion controller hub (AMD fm1+fm2 chipset) supports raid1.

 

I'm not sure if you mean you already have the hdds or not. If not, I would recommend the Hitachi 7k3000 series. They vary from 1TB to 3TB.

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post #5 of 20
11/8/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by Helvetia View Post

Do not take the Asus mainboard since they have bad quality and the rma service is just horrible. The cpu I would leave. Change the ram to at least 1600mhz because you will be running an igp. Take away the videocard since it's not needed. You will not need any RAID card because the any fusion controller hub (AMD fm1+fm2 chipset) supports raid1.

I'm not sure if you mean you already have the hdds or not. If not, I would recommend the Hitachi 7k3000 series. They vary from 1TB to 3TB.

is that from the 1st choice / 2nd choice?

thanks

well i have almost 3TB full so would be going for 4TB internal hard drive.
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post #6 of 20
11/8/12 at 8:30am
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is that from the 1st choice / 2nd choice?
thanks
well i have almost 3TB full so would be going for 4TB internal hard drive.


1st

 

Maybe this one?

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post #7 of 20
11/8/12 at 8:35am
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So i'll stick with the 2nd choice thanks ....

yup will be going for 3.5" 4TB Deskstar 7K4000

Maybe this one? 3.5" 4TB
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post #8 of 20
11/8/12 at 8:36am
Hi,

A lot of people don't realize this but AMD, NVIDIA, and Intel all have their own custom processing that is done to the video. A I have seen complaints by HTPC users that when they switch to a different video card all of the standard def and low quality content took a huge quality hit. I've looked into it and none of the companies go into great deal what they use for post processing and Intel is the only one who brags about having anything like that at all. Intel has enough money that who knows they could have purchased and implemented something equivalent or better (in my eyes) as DCDi. They have the talent to build something equivalent from scratch although I doubt they would have done that.

This type of processing is extremely important on standard definition or worse programming. DVD or better will slowly start to not matter as much with something only equivalent to DCDi but over 10 years ago Faroudja and other companies had stand alone boxes that would make a standard def DirectTV feed look better than DVD on a 100" projection screen. So who knows what they can do now 10 years later with just software.

Anyways what I am getting at is it may be worth it to you to get an Intel Chipset with integrated graphics if you will be watching any SD content.

I have a 2500k and there is an obvious difference between low def video playback from the Intel vs my GTX670.

No visible difference between the 2 with HD content.
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11/9/12 at 11:21am
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I have a couple of questions, Do you want this to be a HTPC? or a HTPC/Server?

You mentioned the ability to rip movies, do you already have that ability? Do you have a main rig or something you are already ripping the movies with?

A HTPC should be SFF and have limited HDD space. Normally, HTPCs will stream from a centralized server which is usually located locally. A server to host media is by no means hardware intensive, A server can be run from any basic current parts really, You should be fine with some AMD E-240 for hosting the media with.... Now for a HTPC for streaming the media is still not much more taxing on hardware, an AMD E-350 is plenty for HD streaming.

Now, for ripping movies, this is the most intensive task you have asked, IMO it should be separate from the Server and the HTPC, normally a gaming rig or a mid-range rig will be more than enough for ripping movies. If you want to let the server do the ripping, that is fine as well.

I use my sig rig and rip 4 DVDs at a time into an iso format and they take about 30 mins each. After I rip the movies I transfer the files to my Linux server. When the files are on my server, I use my HTPC to stream the content from the server and it works flawlessly. A HTPC to stream movies should be relatively cheap, maybe $250 at most. I use Ubuntu on my server because I am most confortable with it and I use XBMCbuntu on my HTPCs at my home.

This sort of setup will allow you to upgrade to more HDDs when you need the space, and keep the HTPC very compact. For a server chassis, you can grab something like the NZXT Source that has 8 HDD bays thumb.gif
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11/9/12 at 11:55am
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I have a couple of questions, Do you want this to be a HTPC? or a HTPC/Server?
You mentioned the ability to rip movies, do you already have that ability? Do you have a main rig or something you are already ripping the movies with?
A HTPC should be SFF and have limited HDD space. Normally, HTPCs will stream from a centralized server which is usually located locally. A server to host media is by no means hardware intensive, A server can be run from any basic current parts really, You should be fine with some AMD E-240 for hosting the media with.... Now for a HTPC for streaming the media is still not much more taxing on hardware, an AMD E-350 is plenty for HD streaming.
Now, for ripping movies, this is the most intensive task you have asked, IMO it should be separate from the Server and the HTPC, normally a gaming rig or a mid-range rig will be more than enough for ripping movies. If you want to let the server do the ripping, that is fine as well.
I use my sig rig and rip 4 DVDs at a time into an iso format and they take about 30 mins each. After I rip the movies I transfer the files to my Linux server. When the files are on my server, I use my HTPC to stream the content from the server and it works flawlessly. A HTPC to stream movies should be relatively cheap, maybe $250 at most. I use Ubuntu on my server because I am most confortable with it and I use XBMCbuntu on my HTPCs at my home.
This sort of setup will allow you to upgrade to more HDDs when you need the space, and keep the HTPC very compact. For a server chassis, you can grab something like the NZXT Source that has 8 HDD bays thumb.gif

thanks for your info and advice

it's basically a NAS / HTPC / HDMI to TV capability .. instead of copying film from external 3tb to external portable 1tb and hooking external portable 1tb up to LG 42"3DTV i just want all my movies and tvshows on 1xHDD where I can play all my files by hdmi on my tv ... cos I have an Xtreamer Pro but that only accepts up to 2TB HDDs and not 3TB above.

... was looking at this : Thecus N5550 | I use the family acer emachine ez1711 [all-in-one-pc] to download by jdownloader program [[[ USED FOR: Watching Movies, TVShows, Music, Pictures by XBMC from HDMI on 42"LG 3Dtv]]] and transfer/copy over files to the external hard drive (3tb which is almost full) ... So gonna go for 4tb deskstar 7k4000 series hard-drive x1... which would cost about €750 for both Thecus N5550+4TB hdd.
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