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Doubtful Foxconn would cancel their contract with Apple.

1) Foxconn took on the challange without being able to supply, all their fault.
2) That's a good chunk of money they'd be missing out on.

Plus

3) If they refuse to supply without Apple's consent they will be in breach of contract - that is mega bucks.

It is sometimes possible to buy your way out of a contract, but it is going to hurt. Like drop pants and grab ankles hurt.

Added to that is the fact that if all the other companies that use Foxconn see them doing that they might look for another, more reliable, supplier.

Basically it would be commercial suicide to just outright stop supplying a customer like Apple.
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Which is completely beside the point when it comes to cosmetics and peoples choices...

Not at all. What I quoted was your choice, you specifically saying you'd take alu and glass over plastic any day, and me stating that good polymer is in virtually all situations a better choice. Yours is a common perspective, yes, but only because nobody since the Nextel / Nokia / Moto days has actually tried. Nylon 66 is pretty awesome, or an in-house blend similar to those in the shooting sports industry; Magpul, Remington, FN Herstal, Glock, Smith & Wesson, Heckler & Koch, Lancer Systems, and a few others I'm forgetting all have proprietary polymer blends with excellent material properties, often with (relatively) thin wall thickness.

Invest in a good poly blend (up front cost is expensive, but long-term cost is pretty low), use sound engineering principles (gaskets and impact absorption), and use a display glass that can actually take a beating instead of just resist scratches (Oppo's done it, where's the rest of the smartphone industry?). These would have marginal, maybe no, real-world impact on phone dimensions, might raise the average cost per phone to manufacture (I say might because you're replacing one materials cost, such as the ongoing cost of alu or cheap/COTS/outsourced plastics, with the higher upfront but much lower longrange cost of a proprietary poly blend), and would create a phone that you wouldn't be afraid of dropping. Sometimes it really is that easy.

Motorola would probably be in the best position to do this, were it to be done right now. Nokia's moved almost wholesale to the norm for smartphone construction. I don't see Apple ever embracing polymer as too much of their image relies on the "feel". Oppo and a couple Japanese companies are sorta doing it, but still haven't gone full-tilt for one reason or another (Americans seem to have come up with the best polymers and nobody is keen on sharing their special recipe).

Anyway, make a phone out of a solid poly blend, with good designing and a half-decent display surface and I think even the most die-hard of Apple fans will start seriously reconsidering the "feel" test.
    
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It's nice to know my iPhone5 is being made with the high quality standards in mind.
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If you thought Foxconn working conditions were poor before, imagine the stress now when you're not meeting quality/production estimates!
Yikes

And you know Foxconn conditions are poor how? By looking at Foxconn workers through Western spectacles?

If we apply Western standards to the entire world, working conditions are poor for 90% of the planet.
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If we apply Western standards to the entire world, working conditions are poor for 90% of the planet.

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More importantly, just because something is in a majority doesn't mean it's fair or ethical.
 
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It's nice to know my iPhone5 is being made with the high quality standards in mind.
And you know Foxconn conditions are poor how? By looking at Foxconn workers through Western spectacles?
If we apply Western standards to the entire world, working conditions are poor for 90% of the planet.

Exactly, now imagine not meeting your estimate! I know my life is hell when a project isn't going well. I'm considering jumping out the window right now tbh.
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Exactly, now imagine not meeting your estimate! I know my life is hell when a project isn't going well. I'm considering jumping out the window right now tbh.

Sounds like a job to die for.
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More importantly, just because something is in a majority doesn't mean it's fair or ethical.

Have you been missing out on American mainstream sensationalist media? Have you not noticed there's only 3 things the media reports when it comes to China? From the Western perspective China only revolves around 3 issues, human rights, labor practices and Chinese hackers.
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Exactly, now imagine not meeting your estimate! I know my life is hell when a project isn't going well. I'm considering jumping out the window right now tbh.

And that's how China will continue to be the main attraction for skilled labor. No other country in the world can meet the demand and volume high tech companies in the West require.

And don't bring up India, just look at all the issues TaTa motors faced when trying to find skilled workers in his country, they don't exist. Tata had to spend almost a year just to train workers qualified enough to work the assembly line.
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In which case, Foxconn should have never agreed to the contract that allowed them to be suppliers. Deals go both ways.
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1) Foxconn took on the challange without being able to supply, all their fault.
It's not so cut and dry as this, and the reason why lies in the 2nd part of your post.
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2) That's a good chunk of money they'd be missing out on.
Foxconn has investors to answer to -- the very people who keep Foxconn in business and liquid. What do you think they would say if Foxconn turned Apple down because they thought they couldn't meet their requirements? What other customer can bring in the type of revenue that Apple can? Foxconn is sort of between a rock and a hard place. They might not actually have the capability to meet Apple's demands, but they're railroaded into biting off more than they can chew by the money-grubbing people who run the show. The big wigs think it's not a big deal -- Foxconn can just get everyone and everything up to speed to meet Apple's requirements after the lucrative contract is signed. As everyone in this thread knows, that's not always so easy.
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It's not so cut and dry as this, and the reason why lies in the 2nd part of your post.
Foxconn has investors to answer to -- the very people who keep Foxconn in business and liquid. What do you think they would say if Foxconn turned Apple down because they thought they couldn't meet their requirements? What other customer can bring in the type of revenue that Apple can? Foxconn is sort of between a rock and a hard place. They might not actually have the capability to meet Apple's demands, but they're railroaded into biting off more than they can chew by the money-grubbing people who run the show. The big wigs think it's not a big deal -- Foxconn can just get everyone and everything up to speed to meet Apple's requirements after the lucrative contract is signed. As everyone in this thread knows, that's not always so easy.

You are right; it is not so cut and dry. However, it does not change the fact that Foxconn not meeting deadlines and quality standards is somehow Apple's fault like how these Apple haters and other losers would like to claim.
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Actually, design is subjective, so it's not really a truth necessarily. And weren't there a decent number of build quality issues with the iPhone 5?
Also, where are you getting the information that Apple's aluminum anodizing process hasn't been used before?

aluminum and glass are considered more luxurious than cheap plastics by the market, they are more valuable materials

Cheap and inexpensive are two different things. Did you know e use plastic on out MBTs? I bet the crew feels more safe with a plastic shell then a metalic one. Ploymeres are much better to use to make better fail safe designs, such as dropping the phone, which is a known to happen. These plastic arguments are mute.
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