Originally Posted by Falknir
SC2 B.NET interface was updated awhile back for custom games and many other maps are getting attention now in comparison to the stagnation caused by the old interface.
It still isn't a perfect system at all. I go in Snipers Pro mod and sit there for like 10 minutes without a game happening and it is featured.
I don't have the time to make or read long drawn out posts like you but Brood War has been dead for over 5 years now....same with cs 1.6 both games only had a pro scene which was/is very small.
Also, I was Masters beating GM players as terran and I know for a fact that many of my friends that played (at a master level mind you) have stopped playing due to the poor decision making skills of the two sc2 balance rs not to mention that Koreans have taken over the game (I have nothing against them) and the game has become an who can get carpel tunnel spam fest that isn't about strategy anymore.
SC2 used to have way more viewers and the viewers have gone down since the past year there's no doubting that. The players such as TLO, Idra, Select, QXC, Destiny, and many other US players were the ones that brought in the most views in tournaments now that they're out of the equation for the most part viewership and interest has gone down drastically and will continue to do so as the game becomes even more of an Carpel Tunnel Spam Fast game vs a strategic game such as DOTA or LoL.
Part of the reason why the viewership has dropped and those players that I mentioned have dropped SC2 is because of the money.........SC2 has very little offerings in prize money compared to the big dog games such as DOTA 2 and LoL.
Now SC2 is so boring to watch it's the same standard strategy's every game nothing new going on....same old units and HOTS isn't changing much hence why there isn't as much interest in it as you'd expect.
Brood War hasn't been dead lol. Just because it isn't very active in the states doesn't mean that it's dead. OSL is huge in South Korea, OSL doesn't attract many foreign viewers, it's more of an local thing. But now that OSL is expanding onto SC2 more, it is starting to attract foreign viewers including a English stream. CS 1.6 hasn't been dead; last year, it was featured at DreamHack and other various events.
according to Steam Stats at this time, it is the 3rd most played game. Game is obviously not dead, a game doesn't have to have competition to declare whether or not a game is "dead." Most people still prefer 1.6 over Source and Global Offensive.
The game isn't about strategy? SC is a game based on the fundamentals of: decision making, micro, macro, knowing builds and how to execute as well as how to counter and prepare for it. As far as health problems, it isn't just exclusive to gamers, it's exclusive to everybody. There are plenty of pro gamers in SC who don't get affected by health problems because they are aware of it and take precautions to prevent it.
SC2 having more viewers in the past? Proof? SC2 is at it's peak point and constantly grows. As I mentioned before about IPL breaking record viewers.
IdrA out of the equation? Definitely not. Most koreans continue to notice him as a top foreigner player and continues to remain as one of the highest earning players with a HUGE fan base. IdrA 2-0'd Grubby at MLG Dallas as well as taking a game off of TaeJa with a possible 2-0 but because of Blizzard';s new patch having a larva bug causing him to not be able to build a new hatch.
TLO: Most hard working player and trains in Korea. Very relevant still, won 2GD Invitational
able to get to the playoffs bracket before being taken down by Nerchio.
QXC: No comment... never considered a top contender as a top foreigner. Nice guy.
Destiny: He is never a top player, if anything he is an controversial player. He doesn't even play SC2 all the time, been playing LoL, DayZ. He shouldn't even be considered there because he was NEVER EVER considered a top foreigner.
Select: Retired to go back to his original roots, DOTA.
.... sheth taking a game off the OSL champion, WCS Asia champion, 4th place GSL Code S (before being taken down by Mvp) Rain and almost having the second game to 2-0 him.
Naniwa (who you failed to mention) two times GSL Code S Ro8, beating Flash 2-1 and then 4-3 in the second series (extended) being two rax'd by Flash on Tal'damir which isn't played very much nowadays.
Stephano.. huge name as a top foreigner and is the top foreigner.
You failed to mention all these players but yet you have the audacity to mention Destiny, Select? what a joke. You are obviously out of the scene for awhile, don't make stuff out of your a** when you fail to prove the facts.
Prize pool doesn't mean anything. GSL Code S has the same prize pool of $48K and is the league known for it's highest amount of production and quality of games. The reason why LoL has so many viewers is because it is a free-to-play game and is advertised more within the LoL client. DOTA2... well because it's a Valve title and has a lot of hype within the community. There are more SC2 tournaments than LoL or DOTA2.
SC2 has tournaments every weekend pretty much. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Main_Page
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Not to mention, you mention prize pool. $1M is divided by the team. Not everybody gets the same amount, yes it is probably more than placing first at a SC2 event. But that portion is also taken from their sponsors depending on their contract.
$68K in <6 months and more to come as he is attending WCS.
In the end, all of these games are eSports calling a game dead is nonsense. It is putting eSports on the map. Claiming one game dead just looks bad when it isn't.
There is room for SC2 and LoL. There is no rule saying there can be only one game and that's it.
Sports: Baseball, Basketball, Golfing, Soccer, Football, Hockey........ they are all there. No one in U.S. claims soccer is dead because it is less popular here than international countries. Just stop being a child and saying a game is dead because it has less viewers and that you personally don't like it. People like it, just not you. Just like how those people probably dislike watching LoL. Support the game you love, don't bash other games. Just wish them the best of luck and in the end, it will put eSports bigger on the map.Edited by zephiK - 11/9/12 at 9:07am