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I've been using a MX518 for around 5 years or so, and I fancy a change/upgrade.


1. What's your grip style? Definitely not palm. I would say it's a claw/fingertip grip (not even sure whether the MX518 is a good mouse for this grip style!)

2. What's your sensitivity? From the definition in the sticky thread, high. I use the top dpi setting on my mouse (1600dpi?) and adjust the in game sensitivity.

3. What's your maximum budget? Will consider anything up to £200/$200 (though rather not!) Don't want anything that's too cheap though.

4. Do you want additional buttons? Need at least two thumb buttons (I'm right handed).

5. What games do you play? Currently, Borderlands 2, XCOM, Skyrim , Dishonored, MW3, Total War,...a wide range.

6. Do you mind about prediction? I know very little about this, and the benefit when gaming. No idea whether MX518 has anything like that - suspect not.

7. Other relevant information:
I would like a wired mouse. I do LAN gaming but take my own PC so don't require any fancy cloud-based profile (however I don't mind if it has these features)

Edit: I should also mention that I use a Steelseries 9HD pad.



I had thought something like the Sensei would be a decent mouse for my needs. Any thoughts? Suggestions?

Thanks,
Seirrah
Edited by Seirrah - 11/7/12 at 4:29pm
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I use a G9X and it's perfect for claw grip. Not many buttons but you said that don't matter. It's got the 2 thumb buttons plus on-the-fly DPI adjustment, extra weighs to change it up if you need more, extra changable grip which is nice and you can save DPI profiles.

Edit: and of course high DPI, 5700.
    
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Originally Posted by Seirrah View Post

1. What's your grip style? Definitely not palm. I would say it's a claw/fingertip grip (not even sure whether the MX518 is a good mouse for this grip style!)

Do you think you have large hands or small ones or average ones?
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2. What's your sensitivity? From the definition in the sticky thread, high. I use the top dpi setting on my mouse (1600dpi?) and adjust the in game sensitivity.

Your in-game sensitivity tends to increase or decrease the mouse's sensitivity? (i.e. is 1600DPI too much, too low or just enough for you?)
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6. Do you mind about prediction? I know very little about this, and the benefit when gaming. No idea whether MX518 has anything like that - suspect not.
MX518 has prediction. Try to draw some straight lines in Paint and you might realize, but does not affect real game performance too much.
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Any thoughts? Suggestions?

If you stick with 1600DPI setting, I would recommend mice that use the Avago A3090 sensor family. G400, Roccat Savu, Razer DeathAdder 3.5G/BE, Tt Saphira, Zowie's, CM Storm Spawn, depending on which shape you prefer... But then Sensei is also a good mouse.
Edited by raisinbun - 11/7/12 at 6:03pm
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If you already like the MX518, the most logical upgrade is the G400 hands down.
Same shape, better sensor.
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To asnwer RaisinBun:
I would say I had medium hands for an adult male. Never really thought about it before! smile.gif
Well I'm assuming that the sensitivity of the mouse is related to a combination of the mouse's DPI vaue and ingame factor, (so a 1600dpi mouse at sensitivty '1', is the same as a 400dpi mouse) but the precision would be higher with a higher dpi mouse as there is more data for the software/game to use. That said, sometimes I leave the game at it's default 'sensitivity' setting and sometimes lower it, but I hardly ever raise it. I would want the option to at least try a lot higher than the 1600dpi that my MX518 allows.

Not sure I want another logitech mouse, but which is better (so subjective!), the g400 or g9x? I read that the MX518 isn't the best mouse for a finger/claw grip and therefore assume the same would apply for the G400 as they're pretty similar looking.
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To asnwer RaisinBun:
I would say I had medium hands for an adult male. Never really thought about it before! smile.gif
Well I'm assuming that the sensitivity of the mouse is related to a combination of the mouse's DPI vaue and ingame factor, (so a 1600dpi mouse at sensitivty '1', is the same as a 400dpi mouse) but the precision would be higher with a higher dpi mouse as there is more data for the software/game to use. That said, sometimes I leave the game at it's default 'sensitivity' setting and sometimes lower it, but I hardly ever raise it. I would want the option to at least try a lot higher than the 1600dpi that my MX518 allows.
Not sure I want another logitech mouse, but which is better (so subjective!), the g400 or g9x? I read that the MX518 isn't the best mouse for a finger/claw grip and therefore assume the same would apply for the G400 as they're pretty similar looking.

MX518's max DPI is 1600DPI, while the newer optical mice can do 3200-4000DPI. I recommend these newer optical mice because they are more comfortable at 1600DPI level than the MX518 is.

G400 vs G9x - shape-wise, it's very personal. Sensor performance, people here would tell you G400.
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If you feel comfortable with the MX-518 and simply want to try more DPI, the G400 is the ideal choice for you. Like ZareliMan said: same design, better/faster sensor... and 3600dpi will certainly be more than enough. Both are good, reliable and driver wise you won't have any major issues.

The G9x is a lot taller and shorter, and it depends if your grip is more tight or extented/relaxed... considering your MX-518: if you feel that you grip is more of a finger extended fingertip grip, then maybe a more slim and lower mouse is better for you (Taipan, maybe?)... otherwise if feel you could use more grip on the back of your hand and flex a lot your fingers with a more tight claw grip, then the G9x might suit you nicely. But that's just my opinion, haven't tried the G9x myself.

The Sensei's size seems to be something in between and probably a nice substitute if you like the MX size, alhtough it's a different shape (ambidextrous, not a right hand ergonomic design). The only possible major problem I see with it: the right side buttons could interfere or cause disfcomfort depending on how you ring finger rests on the side of the mouse. It's the most worrying aspect that is preventing me to dive in a Sensei purchase. I'm currently undecided, Sensei VS Deathadder 3.5 Black.
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Whilst the MX518 doesn't offend me, I imagine that there might be better mice for my grip.

Having tested it a bit more, my palm doesn't touch the mouse at all - or rather than when it does it's more due to accident than to control the thing.
It would look between the claw and finger images via these links http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic/clawgrip http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic/fingertipgrip

You make a good point about the Sensei, though I've never spotted anyone complain about that in a review.

I think right now I'm down to the G9X and the Sensei.
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I've seen some reviews and feedbacks saying the side buttons can interfere a bit, but it's not very clear on photos/reports/videos the exact way they are griping the mouse on the right side. It's ultimately a very personal possibility, since everyone has slightly different ways to use a mouse... it's a risk, and an expensive one in the case of the more expensive Sensei MLG.

Also, the G9x has 2 exchangeable grips, and I've seen some reports saying they can suffer from some bending, activating the thumb buttons just due pressure. I don't know if that was a limited problem to those units, but I've seen that problem before in a Gigabyte mouse I had a couple of years ago... it was very annoying , specially when gaming since we tend to apply a bit more pressure on the grip.

About those Razer images/examples, that claw grip always seemed to me to be quite exaggerated. I don't doubt there a lot of people with a grip like that, but damn, only thinking about that image gives me finger cramps. tongue.gif I use a claw grip but much less extreme, my fingers are not positioned vertical to the top buttons, that's for sure, they make a wider curve.

The best thing is to try them before buying, but that is rarely an option for some people. I've bought a G500 the other day and had to sell it in less than a week, it just felt very wrong to my grip style. Sometimes the features we think will benefit, are exactly the ones making us get rid of it later.
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Heh funny I always thought I was claw grip as my fingers make that shape I've seen in many pictures. But after reading that article it says claw is characterized by the mouse making a sixth contact on the pit of the palm. Thus I guess I am fingertip lol. G9X is too small to let it make contact with my palm.
    
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