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Hi guys.

I'm trying to overclock for the first time my GTX 580 SOC but there are some things that bring questions to my mind.
I'm new to overclocking, so I've tried to follow the safest settings I can find online for my card. It's made for Overclocking and from what I read online it seems to cope fairly well with 950 Mhz (Standard clock is 855), so I decided to give it a go, but there are issues.

1. Voltage: Well, I discovered that my card runs at 1.12 mv by default. MSI Afterburner gives that as the standard setting, OC Guru too, even if it's dynamic so it moves a bit.
The strange thing is that from the review I'm reading, the 580 SOC tested online were running much lower default voltages, around 1.00. A voltage of 1.125 mv is what they get when people try to push them beyond the 900 mhz mark. How can it be? My card runs fine and it's 8 months old now, but I suddenly fear that the default voltage is too high.


2. Clock: keep in mind that my voltage is always 1.12 mv. While overclocking I didn't change it because I felt that it was high enough... So, I tried to move from 855 mhz, by steps of 10 (I'm using MSI Afterburner so shaders clock goes up accordingly). Up to 900 it seems to be fine, but I don't see a big performance gain in terms of FPS. 920 seems still ok, 930 gives me some stutters, 940 the rig crashes after 2 mins of play, 950 it crashes as soon as the game is launched.
That's a bit strange, because it seems that the 580 SOC should cope with 950 easily.

Temperatures are under control, never over the 75°C mark, so that's not the reason. What else could it be?

Here is my rig:

CPU: Intel i5 760 2.8 Ghz
Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E
RAM: 2 x 2GB Corsair XMS DDR3
Hard Disk: Samsung HD103SJ 1TB
Graphic Card: Gigabyte GTX 580 SOC
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster P2470 HD
Power Unit: Corsair TX650
OS: Windows 7 64 bit
Case: Cooler Master Centurion + 3 fans (enermax, cooler master)

Thanks in advance for your help!
post #2 of 13
While voltage does play a role in the lifespan of the card your temperatures affect it more so as long as you keep the temperatures in check you can just about put as much voltage as you need without getting insane with it. 1.12v is high for a stock voltage considering a reference 580 is 1.025v but you could easily push more if you wanted.

As for your card not hit 950 at stock vcore all cards overclock differently and take more or less voltage to achieve a overclock. There is not much you can do about it other than raise the voltage, just keep you temperature below 80c.
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First of all thanks for answering.

I understand what you say about temperature and voltage, but still I don't feel confortable with my standard voltage being the one others use for overclock, it makes me feel that there is something wrong somewhere.

One thing I've always thought is that I could be a little low on power, Gigabyte recommends a 750W unit for this card while I have a 650W unit. May this affect my card's behaviour in any way or if the system starts then everything is fine?

What I plan to do now is to install the latest version of Afterburner and then see how much I can downgrade the voltage keeping the standard core clock. I hope to manage a little downgrade, and then I will think about OC smile.gif
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Ok, more news:

I tried to lower the voltage a bit but no matter what I do, it gets back up to 1.12 as soon as the tiniest stress comes. So nothing to do in that direction.

So back to the OC issues.

I downloaded MSI Kombustor to verify immediately the effect of the overclocking and started pushing the clock by steps of 10 mhz.
The Benchmark was the GPU Burn-in, D3D9, resolution 1920x1080 MSAA 4x. Here are the odd results I got

855 Mhz (STD): 1210 points, 69°C
870: 1184 pts 70°C
880: 1144 pts 69°C
890: 1119 pts 71°C
900: 1119 pts 71°C
910: 1133 pts 71°C
920: 1144 pts 71°C
930: 1158 pts 72°C
940: immediate crash

So the best result is the not overclocked one: does it make any sense? I'm now downloading 3DMark 11 and Unigine to see if I get something more consistent.
In the meantime any advice is more than welcome...
post #5 of 13
I had an Gigabyte GTX580 SOC and they have cherrypicked GPUs.

You need two apps if you are benching with it:

1) Download MSI AB,
2) Download this tool for Gigabyte GTX580SOC http://downloads.hwbot.org/downloads/tools/N580SO_SW.rar

Disable voltage control in MSI AB and use MSI AB for managing the frequencies only
Then use the N580SO app to adjust voltage - GPU should be kept below 1.25 and Memory can go as high as 1.8v. Be carefull.

I advice you to watercool the GPU and get some heatsinks and fans to blow on the memory and VRM area.

You might use the LN2 (xtreme) bios, to disable heat throttling.

My screenshot with Gigabyte GTX580 SOC link

More information on my setup here
Edited by qwwwizx - 11/8/12 at 3:02pm
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GTX580's are very sensitive to temperature cards. I get a good 40-50MHz boost by having my max load temps under 50C...Thank you watercooling...

1.150v is fine bro. That's like all I run my 580 at... but just watch those temps!
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post #7 of 13
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Thanks for helping guys.
I've downloaded Unigine 3 and made some benchmarks, the results are quite disappointing:

1920x1080, 4xMSAA, 16x Aniso, Shaders High and Extreme tessellation made just 24,1 fps on the standard clock (698 points)
Even worse, overclocking to 880 had nearly no effect (24,4 fps) and 900 immediately gave red flickering (immediately stopped the test).

Reading around, it seems that I'm missing something like 15 fps even on a standard GTX 580, and I'm really wondering why. Again, here is my rig:

CPU: Intel i5 760 2.8 Ghz
Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E
RAM: 2 x 2GB Corsair XMS DDR3
Hard Disk: Samsung HD103SJ 1TB
Graphic Card: Gigabyte GTX 580 SOC
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster P2470 HD
Power Unit: Corsair TX650
OS: Windows 7 64 bit
Case: Cooler Master Centurion + 3 fans (enermax, cooler master)

Do you see any issue?

Anyway, during the Unigine test the GPU temp was always around 77°C so if i want to OC i've got to seriously step-up in cooling. But I'm wondering if it's worth it. If I'm not using all my card's potential already, overclocking makes no sense IMHO. I have to find a way to unleash it frown.gif
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A friend of mine suggested that CPU could be the bottleneck, but I believed that at resolutions of 1920 and higher that couldn't be the case.

In the meantime I benchmarked with 3DMark11 too (the free version, so standard performance setting) and I got 5961 pts, with 6249 for graphics. If someone could tell me if that is what I should expect or not it would be much appreciated.

If, like in Unigine, i'm 35% down from a normal GTX 580 then it clearly means that I have an issue, a bottleneck to remove somewhere or maybe an unlucky card.

In the meantime I will search guides on how to overclock an i5 760 smile.gif
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Im running my EVGA 580 SC at 996.8Mhz (Stock is 800) But my Volts are 1.212V and i am under 74C.

So your SOC should be able to hit 950+ Easy. Try going into AB and upping the Volts to 1.125V and try 900Mhz, if she acts up, go up a strap, i think it's 1.138V or 1.150V But 1.150V should get you to 950. EVERY CARD IF DIFFERENT THOUGH. The ones you saw at 950Mhz and 1.00V is Specially picked for the Review smile.gif

I would put her up to 1.138V-1.150V, 950Mhz and turn the fan up to 60-70% to keep her cool. Done smile.gif (might have to adapt a thing or 2 since there all different)
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Hi guys.
I'm trying to overclock for the first time my GTX 580 SOC but there are some things that bring questions to my mind.
I'm new to overclocking, so I've tried to follow the safest settings I can find online for my card. It's made for Overclocking and from what I read online it seems to cope fairly well with 950 Mhz (Standard clock is 855), so I decided to give it a go, but there are issues.
1. Voltage: Well, I discovered that my card runs at 1.12 mv by default. MSI Afterburner gives that as the standard setting, OC Guru too, even if it's dynamic so it moves a bit.
The strange thing is that from the review I'm reading, the 580 SOC tested online were running much lower default voltages, around 1.00. A voltage of 1.125 mv is what they get when people try to push them beyond the 900 mhz mark. How can it be? My card runs fine and it's 8 months old now, but I suddenly fear that the default voltage is too high.
2. Clock: keep in mind that my voltage is always 1.12 mv. While overclocking I didn't change it because I felt that it was high enough... So, I tried to move from 855 mhz, by steps of 10 (I'm using MSI Afterburner so shaders clock goes up accordingly). Up to 900 it seems to be fine, but I don't see a big performance gain in terms of FPS. 920 seems still ok, 930 gives me some stutters, 940 the rig crashes after 2 mins of play, 950 it crashes as soon as the game is launched.
That's a bit strange, because it seems that the 580 SOC should cope with 950 easily.
Temperatures are under control, never over the 75°C mark, so that's not the reason. What else could it be?
Here is my rig:
CPU: Intel i5 760 2.8 Ghz
Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E
RAM: 2 x 2GB Corsair XMS DDR3
Hard Disk: Samsung HD103SJ 1TB
Graphic Card: Gigabyte GTX 580 SOC
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster P2470 HD
Power Unit: Corsair TX650
OS: Windows 7 64 bit
Case: Cooler Master Centurion + 3 fans (enermax, cooler master)
Thanks in advance for your help!


Hi,

GTX 580s tend to have different stock voltages. My Gigabyte GTX 580 was running at 1.062, at stock, IIRC.
From my experience 580s are bad overclockers. I could get mine to around 830-850 but that was with voltage increases, which leaded to higher temps, etc.
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