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PVP in EVE is not twitch based. It's fleet based, you do as your told and you hope the Fleet commander knows what he's doing. Well that's if you're not filling a specific role which has you thinking and acting on your own (logistics, ewar or titan etc.). However, I suggest you work hard to afford new ships and gadgets before venturing into PVP. That way you know the worth of things when you lose them or even better, when you kill them. You'll get a rush that you've never felt in any game when you first encounter PVP; (Consensual or not) your heart races, you get cold sweat and a faint glimmer of either panick or anticipation. thumb.gif

I just prepare to lose several weeks of grinding in 3 minutes and faint.. then I quit eve forever
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Same for me, until EA got their hands on it anyway.
Pre-Trammel UO was amazing. The scope and depth of gameplay is still unmatched by any mmo to date imo though. So many mmo's today focus only on combat, UO had soooo much more.

yes pre trammel of course. Trammel ruined the game.

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UO had predecessors which beat it hands down. tongue.gif

haha this is pretty funny it gave me a good laugh. You obviously never played UO pre UO:R.
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yes pre trammel of course. Trammel ruined the game.
haha this is pretty funny it gave me a good laugh. You obviously never played UO pre UO:R.

I played UO on release, I played UO on just about every variety of private server you could imagine, and played it off and on through Mondain's legacy. Trammel was only a game-breaker because people allowed it to be. There were plenty of MMO's before UO that were, and still are, superior.
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I played UO on release, I played UO on just about every variety of private server you could imagine, and played it off and on through Mondain's legacy. Trammel was only a game-breaker because people allowed it to be. There were plenty of MMO's before UO that were, and still are, superior.

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nice try.

Your absolute confidence in your ignorance means it's not even worth my time to list them.
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So I'll throw my couple of cents in the last few posts. UO was my very exposure to MMO's and I think to this day it is my favorite MMO ever. Now what I have heard (but not looked into) is that UO was the first graphic MMO and before that was text-based MMO's? MUD's I think they where called?

Are you referring to the text based MMO's Ganf?
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So I'll throw my couple of cents in the last few posts. UO was my very exposure to MMO's and I think to this day it is my favorite MMO ever. Now what I have heard (but not looked into) is that UO was the first graphic MMO and before that was text-based MMO's? MUD's I think they where called?
Are you referring to the text based MMO's Ganf?

There were those, and there were other graphic MMO's before UO. There were even a couple FPS's and a mech MMO. UO was the first one to hit big on sales though, so it's the only one people remember. Before UO massively multiplayer online games were the niche of the niche. They were often very bandwidth hungry in an age where almost everyone had dialup, and crappy dialup at that. If you didn't have a good location and plenty of money to throw away every month, you couldn't even get ISDN.

MUD's refer to a type of text-based game built around a particular archetype, specifically that of AD&D 2.0. Most were/are so heavily modified it's hard to tell there was anything related to the pen & paper rules though. You've also got MUSH'es, which are so roleplay-centric that they pretty much defined roleplay as a gaming genre, and won't ever be matched in that category, and MOO's, which were often sandboxes where players could build and express their creativity. A text-based Minecraft, if you will. There are several other less popular genres also.

There were/are also several games which didn't fit in any of these genres because they had strong elements from all of them. I don't need to tell you why they were the best.

But for graphical MMO's: sort this list by date and keep in mind it's incomplete. Majority of those games were just as innovative as UO in their own way, they just didn't get their day in the spotlight for various reasons. Read up on some of them, many of them still have live servers. I can't speak as to their gameplay now, as most of them have changed so much over the years that they're entirely different games.

Edit:Oh, and good latency wasn't why UO succeeded. That game lives on as a legend for it's lag and I believe the subject even has a dedicated paragraph in the wiki.
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Meridian 59 that was the game I was thinking about that came out before UO. I'm honestly surprised there are a handful of graphic MMO's before UO something like 8 or 9, surprising. But I started playing UO when I was 12 and I think thats why it has such a big impact on my life.
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I know what you mean about the MMO feel. I havnt felt at home in a MMO since Earth & Beyond and WoW (vanilla/BC). Both i really settled into due to having a solid guild and bunch of people i got to know online. However Earth & Beyond got bought out by EA (westwood studio's buyout) who immidatly after told the players. .You have 1 year left. .then we r shutting down EnB.

Then in WoW ..well i think most of you who played from vanilla will know what happend. WOTLK happend ..when that expansion came out i was no longer a full time wow player ..it got easy and boring..i was on and off for months ..i even took a year (roughly) break during WOTLK. Came back just before Cata ..played cata ..then left again. Game got to rediculous ..and way to easy..not to mention the change in the social attitude ingame.

Anyway i've been away from WoW now for a couple years and i have no desire ot go back at all.. the 'WoW bug' has left me smile.gif

however that feeling of belonging and wanting to play has never come back. I've played Eve online ..rift ..Aion...GW2..Tera..etc

Eve online was great .and its a spectacular game ..but my god is it SLOW. If you dont have ingame financial backing ..ur screwed ..u cant pvp ..which is a BIG portion ofthe game. I wanted to get in and fight ..so i spent my time training to be a fighter. By the time i was ready i had enough money to buy ships i needed ..very quikly all that money was gone and i was stuck. Couldnt make money ..and thus couldnt play even though i was in a good Corp. Anyway i played Eve for about 3 or 4 years to get to that point. If your not prepaird to first put ALOT of time into the game in the industrial section ..to make money ..and im talking millions a day. you wont like Eve.

Aion ..well thats now f2p ..and has been nefed to hell and back in temrs of open world pvp ..bleh ..dont wanan go on.

Rift: ..Good game .but its just another smaller version of WoW ..and its performance is terible ..not very well optimized.

GW2: great game ..different ..sort of. But ..it doesnt feel like a mmo ..its finite. No carrot on the end of the stick as you say. Im starting to get bored of it atm i havnt played it in about a week now.

Tera: Great game. it has the best combat i'v seen in a mmorpg like rift and wow etc. its not twitch combat ..but its atleats manual..not tab targeting..better than GW2 targeting. However once again it didnt keep me engrosed so i havnt played it in a while.. thankfully once you reach max level you can make enough gold every month to pay for the subscription via their ingame chronoscrolls.

My recommdation for you is to try Tera ..since you tried the others i've played recently.
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