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2x 30dba fans=60dba of total noise???

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hi,
i want to buy tons of fans for my radiators.i also want the best cooling possible without too much noise...
so my question is,would 2 fans rated 30 dba cause 60 dba noise when operating together?
this question might not make any sense..i am a noob...please help

thanks in advance
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post #2 of 9
Here's how you can calculate it.

dB1 + dB2 = 10 log (10^(dB1/10) + 10^(dB2/10))
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No, but they'd be slightly louder than a single fan at 30 dBA.
     
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The unit Bel, usually talked about as one tenths of Bels, with the prefix deci- (because one Bel would be an enormous unit, we use decibels, abbreviated dB) is a logarithmically scaling unit.

Doubling the sound pressure raises the sound pressure level with 6 dB, here's some info on it.

So you'd be looking at 36dB when you do an addition of 30dB + 30dB.

This is an even better website that also talks about the relation of voltage, power and perceived loudness:
http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/voltageloudness.html
Edited by seepra - 11/8/12 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by seepra View Post

The unit Bel, usually talked about as one tenths of Bels, with the prefix deci- (because one Bel would be an enormous unit, we use decibels, abbreviated dB) is a logarithmically scaling unit.
Doubling the sound pressure raises the sound pressure level with 6 dB, here's some info on it.
So you'd be looking at 36dB when you do an addition of 30dB + 30dB.
This is an even better website that also talks about the relation of voltage, power and perceived loudness:
http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/voltageloudness.html

Doesn't that only apply as long as the sounds are close in power?
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Doesn't that only apply as long as the sounds are close in power?
Well, when you double something, you take the same number twice, no? tongue.gif

Or if you're talking about actual power as in Watts, then adding 6dB to SPL takes double the wattage to produce.

EDIT: In addition to this for the OP
Understanding how sound pressure level works (ie: doubling every 6dB) will help you read reviews and comparisons of different fans, but you shouldn't ever try mixing different values from different batches of measurement, like different manufacturers stating whatever SPL levels for their fans at whatever RPM, or different reviews to other reviews. They rarely specify how are they measured and in which conditions, so you can't really directly compare them. (This is also because of different ambient noise, different other possibly noisy PC components, and very likely way different ambient temperatures). You should rather look at one of those huge fan "round-ups" where they take many fans and measure them in similar conditions. There you will see a better picture of how fans perform against each other. Just throwing this out there in case it's not obvious in the first place.

Here's one 2012 fan round-up for you

Also, if you ever want to find out your real SPL the fans and components are churning out after you've built the computer, you should rather get a SPL meter than try calculating different components and their reported/reviewed sound pressure levels together, they are unlikely to match and things like resonance, case and it's dampening properties will all affect the output somehow.
Edited by seepra - 11/8/12 at 6:45pm
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Nah, when you have two noise sources, generally the sound waves produced should be uncorrelated with each other. You don't have them adding constructively. Thus with two equal SPL sources, you get +3 dB, not +6 dB (no A-weighting or anything like that).

In practice, I'm not sure that's what people measure. Often they come up with lower figures than +3 dB at lower SPL, maybe because of measurement inaccuracy? If this is wrong, do you have an example of results where two fans are tested to have same SPL each and then when run together (not like push-pull where characteristics would change) increase the SPL by something like 6 dB?


This should be correct in theory:
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Originally Posted by MrDucktape View Post

Here's how you can calculate it.

dB1 + dB2 = 10 log (10^(dB1/10) + 10^(dB2/10))

which gives +3 dB for equal dB1 and dB2.
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Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

Nah, when you have two noise sources, generally the sound waves produced should be uncorrelated with each other. You don't have them adding constructively. Thus with two equal SPL sources, you get +3 dB, not +6 dB (no A-weighting or anything like that).
In practice, I'm not sure that's what people measure. Often they come up with lower figures than +3 dB at lower SPL, maybe because of measurement inaccuracy? If this is wrong, do you have an example of results where two fans are tested to have same SPL each and then when run together (not like push-pull where characteristics would change) increase the SPL by something like 6 dB?
This should be correct in theory:
which gives +3 dB for equal dB1 and dB2.
Ah you're right, it's a while since I fiddled with sound pressure levels sorry.

That is true, for non-coherent separate sources it's +3dB every time you add a similar fan, assuming identical fans with no flaws.

Could someone still confirm the increase in dB of the perceived loudness, because that's what we're most likely caring the most about ITT?
EDIT: found it, for perceived loudness to double, the amount of dB increased is 10dB. So adding two similar fans is not going to double the perceived loudness, that's struck me a bit weird at first but I guess it makes sense.
Edited by seepra - 11/9/12 at 4:40am
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