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I know I can easily spot it and it makes the experience quite bad. So can many review sites like [H]. Have you ever had two 6970s or 7970s to experience it?

I've had older cards which are well known for having it worse... and yet I and pretty much every one else in this can't see or feel it without having to resort to graphs to tell me it's there rolleyes.gif

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This thread is quite simple to sort out

1. The AMD cards are cheaper
2. The AMD cards as well as being cheaper are also faster
3. The AMD cards don't have gimped over clocking
4. The AMD cards draw slightly more power but also offer more performance while doing so
5. AMD's driver problems are way over blown

The only reason you would even buy an Nvidia card is

1. You care about saving a few $$ a year due to slightly lower power consumption, even though the money you save buying an AMD card makes up for the extra power they use

2. You're a fan boy

3. You believe the other fan boys that claim Nvidia drivers are far superior and never have problems

I don't know how the pricing works outside of the UK but in the UK

You can buy a 7950 for the same price as a 660 TI and a 7970 is only £20-30 more expensive then a 670, the 680 is stupidly priced and in no circumstance should it be bought or recommended to anyone.

I'm sticking my GTX 470 SLI up for sale in the next few weeks and getting me a 7950, maybe 2, not decided yet.
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Alot of 680 owners purchased the cards right when they came out, when it was the surperior card. I'm pretty sure no one expected AMD to release drivers that increased performance to that degree, which I've still been curious about Nvidia's reply to that. As it stands, the pricing as is can't be considered good, I'd imagine. Of course, I used EVGA's step up program to get 680's so it didn't cost me anything but shipping.

However, it was widely accepted that Nvidia drivers were better than AMD drivers. That isn't an opinion, it was fact. Across forums, review sites, even hardware stores such as CompUSA, where I worked, that Nvidia drivers were more reliable. I owned 5850's, and eventually a 6990, and I went through hell each time I owned them, from poor FPS when games were in windowed mode(MW3), poor FPS when trying to stream, terrible FPS in older games like FFXI. Never had those issues with Nvidia drivers. Ever. It wasn't an issue only I was dealing with. It was everywhere.

So I purchased my 580's at the time, and had zero problems with drivers. None. So I upgraded to the 680's without a doubt in my mind. However, if things stay the way they are in the next generation, say, AMD has an offering that seems just as good as the 780, and it's cheaper? I'll probably give AMD another try. As for this generation, for my resolution, 1920x1080, I'll stick with Nvidia. But hopefully, this drives down the prices. By alot.
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Meh all you guys can harp about how much better your HD7970 are better then the 680 at the moment but, ive been burned with amd cards to many times, and the hd6990 was my last draw, before you call me a fanboy iv owned 5770>2x5770s>5970>2x5970>2x580s>6970>465>6990>690 all in that order, only reason i dont have the 580s is because i sold that computer at the time... always had stupid issues in games due to driver issues, some got fixed over time others did not, microstutter on the 5000series was horrible, but was improved alot with the 6000. but the hd6990 had so many problems with eyefinity, and omg it seemed fixes for the crossfire profiles took for ever to be fix and some never were, got fed up sold it and got my gtx690, things a beast, maxes anything at 1440p no problem, and sli profiles for new games get fixed fairly quickly, and i experience no micro stutter! thumb.gif

Im not saying the hd7000 series is better or worse, i havent even tried one, but after the 5000 and 6000 series il pass!
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This thread is quite simple to sort out...

Snipped a point of view that this person believes everyone should have just because he does

Wow, you just changed my mind. I'm switching companies! /inyourdreams
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Alot of 680 owners purchased the cards right when they came out, when it was the surperior card. I'm pretty sure no one expected AMD to release drivers that increased performance to that degree, which I've still been curious about Nvidia's reply to that. As it stands, the pricing as is can't be considered good, I'd imagine. Of course, I used EVGA's step up program to get 680's so it didn't cost me anything but shipping.
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So I purchased my 580's at the time, and had zero problems with drivers. None. So I upgraded to the 680's without a doubt in my mind. However, if things stay the way they are in the next generation, say, AMD has an offering that seems just as good as the 780, and it's cheaper? I'll probably give AMD another try. As for this generation, for my resolution, 1920x1080, I'll stick with Nvidia. But hopefully, this drives down the prices. By alot.
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They were shown to draw 200W more power in bitcoin mining which it does like 10x faster than the 690. In Crysis the difference was 80-90W.
NVIDIA definitely has the advantage of coming out first. I don't know why AMD themselves have refused to produce a dual-GPU card.
Perhaps if you take good care of the card it'll run fairly cool compared to somewhat rushed reviews but that's true for every card.

Well, its still maximum power draw. Even if it is 7 times faster at it (bitcoin). Look at the 480 compared to its then-at-the-time competitor, the 5870. It can fold circles around it.

Anyway, since you consider this power draw while bitcoin mining acceptable because it mines 7 times faster, here its running furmark, where no card has anything else to do but draw power and heat up. Still the huge 550W power draw. tongue.gif

Just to clear this out, my point still is that it draws significantly more power for a small increase in performance. And I really don't care about power draw as you can see from my sig. Just making a point.

A synthetic workload. As you see there in actual gaming (Crysis 2) the difference is 30W.

The 480 consumed way more power in gaming AND GPGPU. If it was only the latter I doubt anyone would've cared too much.
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Haha

Then you have to consider the NV funded focus group members that plant seeds through out the online enthusiast communities.
I personally think the 690 is a fantastic card, a little pricey, but both are.
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A synthetic workload. As you see there in actual gaming (Crysis 2) the difference is 30W.
The 480 consumed way more power in gaming AND GPGPU. If it was only the latter I doubt anyone would've cared too much.

Whats the point in comparing power draw if we dont take maximum power draw from both cards... Power usage in Crysis 2 can vary and its affected by multiple variables whereas in Furmark, there's a constant work load that doesn't changes. You want to know the maximum power draw of a card when you decide on a PSU so you know that you are covered. From 300W to 550W there is quite a bit of difference. You seem to be unable to accept the fact that it does use ~200W more than the 690 under maximum load. You can't dismiss that by saying that it only takes 30W more in a game... I don't understand why it bothers you so much and you cant accept it. Its just a video card and I seriously doubt someone would care that much about power draw when they drop the stack of dollar bills to buy one ...

And about the 480, I'm not trying to deny or come up with excuses for that. It does indeed consume more power in gaming and GPGPU. It was an inefficient GPU.. after all, thats why it has 480 cuda cores instead of the full 512 and I'm perfectly fine with it. Thats why I got my 750 TX. I couldn't care less if it drew 400W as long as it works with the overclock I like under the temps that I find acceptable.
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Meh all you guys can harp about how much better your HD7970 are better then the 680 at the moment but, ive been burned with amd cards to many times, and the hd6990 was my last draw, before you call me a fanboy iv owned 5770>2x5770s>5970>2x5970>2x580s>6970>465>6990>690 all in that order, only reason i dont have the 580s is because i sold that computer at the time... always had stupid issues in games due to driver issues, some got fixed over time others did not, microstutter on the 5000series was horrible, but was improved alot with the 6000. but the hd6990 had so many problems with eyefinity, and omg it seemed fixes for the crossfire profiles took for ever to be fix and some never were, got fed up sold it and got my gtx690, things a beast, maxes anything at 1440p no problem, and sli profiles for new games get fixed fairly quickly, and i experience no micro stutter! thumb.gif
Im not saying the hd7000 series is better or worse, i havent even tried one, but after the 5000 and 6000 series il pass!

Very cool story bro.rolleyes.gif
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