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Extra background: After thread asking for help with a new build, I sat for a while and I was thinking - what will I do with my computer? Then I browsed a lot of articles, forums and reviews for more than a couple hours and I sat again and was thinking about the same thing... I've decided to go part-by-part for my specific needs in different sections of the forum and to provide good descriptions of what I need. I am certain that I will buy 16GB red Corsair Vengeance pair and 7970 VGA. After I choose the CPU I will be buying, then I will start choosing the motherboard. I am buying this computer for practical purposes, not for fun like overclocking or experimenting. I also can't afford to replace a part if it breaks. I am going to use this computer for 4 or more years.

To the point: Stock frequency is 3.4Ghz. 3570 can be overclocked to 4Ghz. 3570K can be overclocked to 4.2Ghz on stock voltage and 4.6Ghz on safe voltage. 3570K costs $25 more than 3570. Since some people complain about getting at least partly defective Ivy processors, we can guess that they are generally not well made. Taken that into account and general overclocking risk, 3570 and especially 3570K if overclocked to it's maximum safe potential, can both have very reduced lifespans and even fry at any moment soon. My warranty would be void and so I could not get a replacement in any way, I also could not afford a new one, so I am very skeptical of overclocking because I don't want to take any risk in going back to this computer.

Question: because my main purpose will be gaming (including any newest game that will come out), which processor of these two would you recommend, knowing the information above? Ask any questions if you think they will help you give me a better argument or advice to go either way. And yes, I can use the $25 in other ways otherwise.

EDIT1: I'm not from the US, don't ask where I buy it. It's the cheapest I can get here. smile.gif
EDIT2: I'm going to use the PC for at least 15h a day, most of it will be on heavy load.
EDIT3: I'm not going to get Intel plan, it's another $20, so total is $45 costlier. That is too much, I'm not that rich.
EDIT4: This CPU won't be worth anything in 4 or more years, so resell price isn't important.
Edited by rigbuild - 11/8/12 at 5:10pm
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Get the K and the Intel tuning plan. If you fry it once you at least get a second one.
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Originally Posted by rigbuild View Post

Extra background: After thread asking for help with a new build, I sat for a while and I was thinking - what will I do with my computer? Then I browsed a lot of articles, forums and reviews for more than a couple hours and I sat again and was thinking about the same thing... I've decided to go part-by-part for my specific needs in different sections of the forum and to provide good descriptions of what I need. I am certain that I will buy 16GB red Corsair Vengeance pair and 7970 VGA. After I choose the CPU I will be buying, then I will start choosing the motherboard. I am buying this computer for practical purposes, not for fun like overclocking or experimenting. I also can't afford to replace a part if it breaks. I am going to use this computer for 4 or more years.
To the point: Stock frequency is 3.4Ghz. 3570 can be overclocked to 4Ghz. 3570K can be overclocked to 4.2Ghz on stock voltage and 4.6Ghz on safe voltage. 3570K costs $25 more than 3570. Since some people complain about getting at least partly defective Ivy processors, we can guess that they are generally not well made. Taken that into account and general overclocking risk, 3570 and especially 3570K if overclocked to it's maximum safe potential, can both have very reduced lifespans and even fry at any moment soon. My warranty would be void and so I could not get a replacement in any way, I also could not afford a new one, so I am very skeptical of overclocking because I don't want to take any risk in going back to this computer.
Question: because my main purpose will be gaming (including any newest game that will come out), which processor of these two would you recommend, knowing the information above? Ask any questions if you think they will help you give me a better argument or advice to go either way. And yes, I can use the $25 in other ways otherwise.

Where are you buying them? The difference is only $5 on Newegg.

Also, I would suggest the 3570K.

Reasons:

1) Yes, you can OC the 3570 but by doing so you raise the BCLK and you should NOT do this for 24/7 purposes. BCLK is linked to many frequencies and doing so could damage some of your components in the long term.

2) 3570K will have higher re-sale value due to not being locked.

3) You can overclock down the road if you ever want to via multiplier.
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Get the K and the Intel tuning plan. If you fry it once you at least get a second one.

It would be extra $20, which is even more expenses. I'm not that rich.
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Where are you buying them? The difference is only $5 on Newegg.
Also, I would suggest the 3570K.
Reasons:
1) Yes, you can OC the 3570 but by doing so you raise the BCLK and you should NOT do this for 24/7 purposes. BCLK is linked to many frequencies and doing so could damage some of your components in the long term.
2) 3570K will have higher re-sale value due to not being locked.
3) You can overclock down the road if you ever want to via multiplier.

I'm not from the US. I think I should set my location on the left. smile.gif

1) I am not sure what is BCLK, but I would overclock it by raising turbo multiplier. I would be running the PC for at least 15h a day, most of which would be on a heavy load.
2) In 4 years it won't be worth anything.
3) Related to 1), I think.
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If you plan to do even the slightest O/C, the 3570K would be preferred as it O/Cs much easier altering multi, and you can do so safer using much more basic Mobo's than what would be required for a high block O/C with a locked CPU. Hope you won't opt for a silly-expensive mobo as most ppl do in these forums for e-peen.

For O/Cs around the 4.4-4.5GHz I would say you would have virtually no issue with the 3570K for the next 4-5 years or maybe "forever"...mild CPU loads as most games will be will allow you reasonable Vcore and temp tolerances to have virtually no meaningful degradation.
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It would be extra $20, which is even more expenses. I'm not that rich.
I'm not from the US. I think I should set my location on the left. smile.gif
1) I am not sure what is BCLK, but I would overclock it by raising turbo multiplier. I would be running the PC for at least 15h a day, most of which would be on a heavy load.
2) In 4 years it won't be worth anything.
3) Related to 1), I think.

BCLK is a frequency to which you can use to OC the locked versions a few hundred MHz but it's not a good idea. Also, I'm not sure if you can OC the locked ones to the turbo multiplier(in your case the 3570 would be 3.8GHz max turbo), but even if you can that's not much of an OC.

Since you say it won't be worth anything in 4 years that's just another reason to get the 3570K. If you plan on keeping your CPU for that long you are definitely going to want to OC down the line to get more performance when it's needed, even if you don't plan on it currently.
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3570k... if you can't afford the $20, wait.

You might not know how to overclock now but it's incredibly easy with these chips.

In 4 years it will still be worth something, look at the Q6600 and the like, not worth a whole lot but still a decent amount.

$20 difference, not that rich, buying a 7970. Buy a 7950 then and save your money. lol.
 
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BCLK is a frequency to which you can use to OC the locked versions a few hundred MHz but it's not a good idea. Also, I'm not sure if you can OC the locked ones to the turbo multiplier(in your case the 3570 would be 3.8GHz max turbo), but even if you can that's not much of an OC.
Since you say it won't be worth anything in 4 years that's just another reason to get the 3570K. If you plan on keeping your CPU for that long you are definitely going to want to OC down the line to get more performance when it's needed, even if you don't plan on it currently.

If I would OC it in 4 years, I could still fry it. The fear or having to go back to this PC with all those parts sitting in the corner is one of the reasons for this thread in the first place. I could not afford a replacement, as mentioned in the OP, and the warranty wouldn't be worth anything the minute I overclock it.
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3570k... if you can't afford the $20, wait.
You might not know how to overclock now but it's incredibly easy with these chips.
In 4 years it will still be worth something, look at the Q6600 and the like, not worth a whole lot but still a decent amount.
$20 difference, not that rich, buying a 7970. Buy a 7950 then and save your money. lol.

I have the money, and VGA is more important than the CPU for most games. The reason why I am not sure which to buy is in the post above. I explained it in reply to iinversion, so you can reply to that post too. smile.gif
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If I would OC it in 4 years, I could still fry it. The fear or having to go back to this PC with all those parts sitting in the corner is one of the reasons for this thread in the first place. I could not afford a replacement, as mentioned in the OP, and the warranty wouldn't be worth anything the minute I overclock it.

It's not like they would ever knew if you actually overclocked it. It comes down to whether or not you tell them you overclocked it when you RMA.

As said above, it is incredibly easy to overclock these chips and there are plenty of guides on this website. When/If you get it just feel free to create a thread to ask for OC'ing help.. people on here can help. There really isn't a reason to not spend the extra $25. If you can't afford it, wait until you can. You want a computer to last you 4 years? Let's not cheap out on a locked CPU just for $25.
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