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Ridiculous. A SEAL talks to a company in relative secrecy about SEAL tactics and he gets punished. Yet the President of the United States gives a speech for the whole world to hear and releases thousands of classified documents referring to the Osama raid. And nobody cares...

Just shameful that this level of hypocrisy. That a service member is punished for something this trivial in comparison to what has been "leaked" from the White House.
    
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Ridiculous. A SEAL talks to a company in relative secrecy about SEAL tactics and he gets punished. Yet the President of the United States gives a speech for the whole world to hear and releases thousands of classified documents referring to the Osama raid. And nobody cares...
Just shameful that this level of hypocrisy. That a service member is punished for something this trivial in comparison to what has been "leaked" from the White House.

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And furthermore when the Obama administration released info on the ST6 raid, a few days later their heli was shot down and killed as a result of their id being released. Gets a total pass. Fuggin ridiculous.
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I served in the military, and let's make something clear: civilian laws and military laws are far different. As a military member you CANNOT do whatever the hell you want, there are standards of behaviour that applies even when you're out of uniform (and on active duty) -- The SEAL members that shared classified info violated the UCMJ and if you violate the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice), you WILL pay the price.

I don't believe civvies will ever understand this. You can't break the rules in the military unless you want to see the man and lose rank / money. Losing rank when you're well into your career will break your ability to retire or even stay in. You can vilify the brass all you want -- but the SEAL members violated the UCMJ period. The UCMJ is black and white and has existed for a long time - you cannot ever, under any circumstance, share classified information.

This isn't the civilian world where you can BS your way out of breaking the rules. You break the rules and get caught while under military contract, you will get NJP'ed or court martialed for a serious offense. If any of these happen to you, it can destroy your life if severe enough, so obviously military members usually try to avoid being in the wrong -- military justice is harsh. Don't like it? They shouldn't have joined - they knew they were in the wrong by sharing this info, I am certain of this. All military members have a good understanding of what they can and cannot do, there are not many shades of gray here.
Edited by xoleras - 11/9/12 at 6:47am
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Amazed this thread isn't locked yet since political discussion is to mature for our little overclocker ears....
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I served in the military, and let's make something clear: civilian laws and military laws are far different. As a military member you CANNOT do whatever the hell you want, there are standards of behaviour that applies even when you're out of uniform (and on active duty) -- The SEAL members that shared classified info violated the UCMJ and if you violate the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice), you WILL pay the price.
I don't believe civvies will ever understand this. You can't break the rules in the military unless you want to see the man and lose rank / money. Losing rank when you're well into your career will break your ability to retire or even stay in. You can vilify the brass all you want -- but the SEAL members violated the UCMJ period. The UCMJ is black and white and has existed for a long time - you cannot ever, under any circumstance, share classified information.
This isn't the civilian world where you can BS your way out of breaking the rules. You break the rules and get caught while under military contract, you will get NJP'ed or court martialed for a serious offense. If any of these happen to you, it can destroy your life if severe enough, so obviously military members usually try to avoid being in the wrong -- military justice is harsh. Don't like it? They shouldn't have joined - they knew they were in the wrong by sharing this info, I am certain of this. All military members have a good understanding of what they can and cannot do, there are not many shades of gray here.

So why do people get tempted with these options? Don't they know the risk. You would think game makers with experience/background in these games would understand and not put members of the military at risk of serious offenses. I am all about keeping military secrets safe.
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I haven't played the game yet. Wonder what parts of the single-player campaign reflect the "hawking details about the mission". Going to have to check this game out now.

 

Don't! Its HORRIBLE, I wish I could transfer it to you and get rid of it forever!

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Says who? Ive played alot of the game and quite frankly, its superb.

It's not "bad" per say, but when a game comes out and I realize it would have failed to impress me, say even 4 years ago...

Then I consider it bad. No innovation=bad game for me these days.



Honestly I think all of this seal stuff is playing a bigger picture for the military. Maybe for recruiting? idk. You have all these books that have been coming out, a movie made about seals portrayed by seals, TWO movies about the Osama Bin Laden raid (within a month). Now this. Those guys live by a code to pretty much not talk or brag and to be in the seals you really have to have that mentality about it to start with. Somethings up IMO.
Edited by Outlawed - 11/9/12 at 7:08am
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Seals are one of the serious kick ass soldiers out there today. They do at least deserve a say as long they follow the guidelines because you serve your country too and signed a contract, normally you would expect someone to read the fine print before joining something. So it's a need to know basis only.

However, these guys went through these experiences of the grim situation. I believe in Freedom of Speech but there are some "certain things that shouldn't be said". So to keep it off the record and instead of getting in trouble. He should had said nothing or gave a clean simple version of his story since the government doesn't allowed specific classified intel on anything. It's military private info from the social media anyhow.


The government doesn't allowed classified information without permission and authority by the President and i am certain they are following the protocols the way Military has done for many years.

I don't know really much 100% about it but just my 2 cent.
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It's not "bad" per say, but when a game comes out and I realize it would have failed to impress me, say even 4 years ago...
Then I consider it bad. No innovation=bad game for me these days.

But "innovation" often comes at the price of solid gameplay in FPS games. CoD was great. Then they "innovated" and added perks, killstreaks, locked FOVs and P2P hosting. Did that make it a better game? NO! I was thrilled with Alan Wake's storytelling and Portal's puzzles and humor (both things I hadn't experienced before). MW3 disappointed majorly (I won it in a tournament, don't judge), not because it didn't innovate or improve on something, but because it didn't offer solid gameplay (which is actually worse than previous FPS games I've played). I like BF3 even though it didn't innovate. I don't consider it a great game, but it was decent because it (mostly) stuck to what was a good formula. I'm currently having a blast in CS:GO because it offers nice gameplay. It doesn't add stupid kill-/deathstreaks that give noobs an advantage or add a bunch of customization. It just offers what most FPS games should offer. Solid gameplay. If you're more skilled than your opponent, you win. There's no "innovative" game item that does it for you.
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