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They were partially deducted 2 months pay. They did not lose rank. They were not discharged from the service.

Like I said, slap on the wrist.
    
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They were partially deducted 2 months pay. They did not lose rank. They were not discharged from the service.
Like I said, slap on the wrist.

Really? Ive watched several interviews with higher lvl officers talking about the punishments the seals received and everyone has said it will not allow them to gain rank and is an effective career ending punishment.
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It's probably cause what happened in real life and what was reported in the media wasn't the same. They never wanted the non sugarcoated version to come out. They ALWAYS make a big deal out of these things.
    
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Really? Ive watched several interviews with higher lvl officers talking about the punishments the seals received and everyone has said it will not allow them to gain rank and is an effective career ending punishment.

Its a slap on the wrist. Period.

Could it possibly hurt them when it comes time for staff grade NCO.... possibly. Depends on how bad they need staff NCO's at the time. Plenty of people have bounced back from a single NJP; there have been points in time where if you DIDN'T have one then there was something wrong.



And I don't know what you guys are on about this friendly rivalry.

There is no branch besides the Marines; everyone else is just a ride or relief.


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Its a slap on the wrist. Period.
Could it possibly hurt them when it comes time for staff grade NCO.... possibly. Depends on how bad they need staff NCO's at the time. Plenty of people have bounced back from a single NJP; there have been points in time where if you DIDN'T have one then there was something wrong.
And I don't know what you guys are on about this friendly rivalry.
There is no branch besides the Marines; everyone else is just a ride or relief.

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Preface: i'm writing this with the understanding that all involved was reduced in rank. I'm not sure if that is the case. Anyway, the lowest rank person involved with the operation was an E-6. Most of them were officers and higher enlisted, chiefs and above.

I'm sorry but if you lose rank at that stage of your career, you are done. I don't know when you were in, but you have to make a rank within a certain time frame (example - making E-6 within 10 years) and if you don't make rank in the proper time frame you are kicked out. If you are reduced in rank 15 years in, that ENDS your career.

We aren't talking about 18 year old E-3s. We're talking about E6, E7, E8 with 10-15 years in. If you lose rank or get a non judicial punishment, it could easily end your career. Furthermore, sharing classified information can easily be a court martial offense - obviously at that stage, punishment becomes much, much more serious. This isn't like underage drinking as an E-3 where you're dropped a rank and you recover a couple of years after. At their stage, yes, punishment like this can be game ending.

Besides which, they should know better. All MOSs that have top secret clearance KNOW that they shouldn't share that type of information, obviously they were drawn by the money and thought they wouldn't get caught. Sucks for them but, they should know better.
Edited by xoleras - 11/11/12 at 12:03pm
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No one lost rank. They got a letter of reprimand and reduction in pay for two months (read the article?).

Slap on the wrist; not that it is even that big of an issue in the first place. They didn't give away classified information.
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It was a career ending reprimand. That is not a slap on the hand.

Dead wrong. A Letter of Reprimand is a far cry from a career ender. I've given a couple myself, and it certainly didn't end their career, in the end, it didn't affect anyone. The only way this would, is if they have further infractions down the road.

Again, if I were to sell classified material and were caught, I'm 99% sure I'd end up in Leavenworth for a considerable chunk of my life. It's spelled out pretty well by the countless COMSEC and OPSEC breifs, trainings, and NDA's.

Either the Navy is trying to avoid locking up national heroes, or the details they gave aren't classified. Likely the true nature of the LOR was for consulting without permission from the public affairs office.
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Dead wrong. A Letter of Reprimand is a far cry from a career ender. I've given a couple myself, and it certainly didn't end their career, in the end, it didn't affect anyone. The only way this would, is if they have further infractions down the road.
Again, if I were to sell classified material and were caught, I'm 99% sure I'd end up in Leavenworth for a considerable chunk of my life. It's spelled out pretty well by the countless COMSEC and OPSEC breifs, trainings, and NDA's.
Either the Navy is trying to avoid locking up national heroes, or the details they gave aren't classified. Likely the true nature of the LOR was for consulting without permission from the public affairs office.

Well, if they decide to gut the military anything little like this may be used to decide if they will let some one re-enlist...however, I have a feeling that there isn't a surplus of SEALs and any one who has made it through SEAL training that wants to stay...will stay.

I was in during the pre-twin tower reduction. I wanted to re-enlist, but the medical would not allow it since I had been wounded. I was fine for duty. My command was furious. So if the word comes down that we need to reduce the number of bodies...stuff even as little as Office Hours or reprimands could be "career ending".

I am sure you are correct on what they actually got in trouble for. I am sure some public relations/recruiting poge heard about it and felt their toes had been stepped on as well.
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Dead wrong. A Letter of Reprimand is a far cry from a career ender. I've given a couple myself, and it certainly didn't end their career, in the end, it didn't affect anyone. The only way this would, is if they have further infractions down the road.
Again, if I were to sell classified material and were caught, I'm 99% sure I'd end up in Leavenworth for a considerable chunk of my life. It's spelled out pretty well by the countless COMSEC and OPSEC breifs, trainings, and NDA's.
Either the Navy is trying to avoid locking up national heroes, or the details they gave aren't classified. Likely the true nature of the LOR was for consulting without permission from the public affairs office.

Ive watched numerous interviews with retired seals who have said that this us a career ending punishment. Excuse me if i take the word of someone who actually knows what he is talking about.
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So, I'm interested to hear from those with experience in the armed forces... If you've played MoH already, what would you say is included in the game that it's probable that it was obtained from these SEALs? Anything in the game that really jumped out at you and made you say "Wow, I can't believe they nailed [insert] so accurately"?
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