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[Huff. Post] Navy SEAL Team 6 Members Punished For 'Medal Of Honor' Information Disclosures

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Seven members of the secretive Navy SEAL Team 6, including one involved in the mission to get Osama bin Laden, have been punished for disclosing classified information, senior Navy officials said Thursday

They are alleged to have divulged classified information to the maker of a video game, "Medal Of Honor: Warfighter."
I haven't played the game yet. Wonder what parts of the single-player campaign reflect the "hawking details about the mission". Going to have to check this game out now.
 
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Well, tactics and techniques used by the SEALs are classified too, so I can imagine it's just something minor.
 
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If they knew about the disclosures, surely they could have attempted to block the release until the details where removed? Wouldn't it be seen as a case of threat to National Security in the eyes of the Government? I'm not American but I believe there was a recent case of a former so called Seals Team 6 member publishing a book about the Osama raid and the Defence Department not taking to kindly to it? I could be very very wrong.
 
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If they knew about the disclosures, surely they could have attempted to block the release until the details where removed? Wouldn't it be seen as a case of threat to National Security in the eyes of the Government? I'm not American but I believe there was a recent case of a former so called Seals Team 6 member publishing a book about the Osama raid and the Defence Department not taking to kindly to it? I could be very very wrong.
I was thinking about that too. I wonder if they would go as far as releasing a patch that removes certain content. Now I'm definitely going to check the game out though, I know it's realistic
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And the game is STILL just as bad as the first MoH....
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The campaign in MOH 2010 was excellent. Were you referring to the multi-player?
 
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I agree. Both MOH campaigns are really good...
 
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Ridiculous. A SEAL talks to a company in relative secrecy about SEAL tactics and he gets punished. Yet the President of the United States gives a speech for the whole world to hear and releases thousands of classified documents referring to the Osama raid. And nobody cares...

Just shameful that this level of hypocrisy. That a service member is punished for something this trivial in comparison to what has been "leaked" from the White House.
 
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Ridiculous. A SEAL talks to a company in relative secrecy about SEAL tactics and he gets punished. Yet the President of the United States gives a speech for the whole world to hear and releases thousands of classified documents referring to the Osama raid. And nobody cares...
Just shameful that this level of hypocrisy. That a service member is punished for something this trivial in comparison to what has been "leaked" from the White House.
Yeah exactly!
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I served in the military, and let's make something clear: civilian laws and military laws are far different. As a military member you CANNOT do whatever the hell you want, there are standards of behaviour that applies even when you're out of uniform (and on active duty) -- The SEAL members that shared classified info violated the UCMJ and if you violate the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice), you WILL pay the price.

I don't believe civvies will ever understand this. You can't break the rules in the military unless you want to see the man and lose rank / money. Losing rank when you're well into your career will break your ability to retire or even stay in. You can vilify the brass all you want -- but the SEAL members violated the UCMJ period. The UCMJ is black and white and has existed for a long time - you cannot ever, under any circumstance, share classified information.

This isn't the civilian world where you can BS your way out of breaking the rules. You break the rules and get caught while under military contract, you will get NJP'ed or court martialed for a serious offense. If any of these happen to you, it can destroy your life if severe enough, so obviously military members usually try to avoid being in the wrong -- military justice is harsh. Don't like it? They shouldn't have joined - they knew they were in the wrong by sharing this info, I am certain of this. All military members have a good understanding of what they can and cannot do, there are not many shades of gray here.
 
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I served in the military, and let's make something clear: civilian laws and military laws are far different. As a military member you CANNOT do whatever the hell you want, there are standards of behaviour that applies even when you're out of uniform (and on active duty) -- The SEAL members that shared classified info violated the UCMJ and if you violate the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice), you WILL pay the price.
I don't believe civvies will ever understand this. You can't break the rules in the military unless you want to see the man and lose rank / money. Losing rank when you're well into your career will break your ability to retire or even stay in. You can vilify the brass all you want -- but the SEAL members violated the UCMJ period. The UCMJ is black and white and has existed for a long time - you cannot ever, under any circumstance, share classified information.
This isn't the civilian world where you can BS your way out of breaking the rules. You break the rules and get caught while under military contract, you will get NJP'ed or court martialed for a serious offense. If any of these happen to you, it can destroy your life if severe enough, so obviously military members usually try to avoid being in the wrong -- military justice is harsh. Don't like it? They shouldn't have joined - they knew they were in the wrong by sharing this info, I am certain of this. All military members have a good understanding of what they can and cannot do, there are not many shades of gray here.
So why do people get tempted with these options? Don't they know the risk. You would think game makers with experience/background in these games would understand and not put members of the military at risk of serious offenses. I am all about keeping military secrets safe.
 
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I haven't played the game yet. Wonder what parts of the single-player campaign reflect the "hawking details about the mission". Going to have to check this game out now.
Don't! Its HORRIBLE, I wish I could transfer it to you and get rid of it forever!
 
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Says who? Ive played alot of the game and quite frankly, its superb.
It's not "bad" per say, but when a game comes out and I realize it would have failed to impress me, say even 4 years ago...

Then I consider it bad. No innovation=bad game for me these days.

Honestly I think all of this seal stuff is playing a bigger picture for the military. Maybe for recruiting? idk. You have all these books that have been coming out, a movie made about seals portrayed by seals, TWO movies about the Osama Bin Laden raid (within a month). Now this. Those guys live by a code to pretty much not talk or brag and to be in the seals you really have to have that mentality about it to start with. Somethings up IMO.
 
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Seals are one of the serious kick ass soldiers out there today. They do at least deserve a say as long they follow the guidelines because you serve your country too and signed a contract, normally you would expect someone to read the fine print before joining something. So it's a need to know basis only.

However, these guys went through these experiences of the grim situation. I believe in Freedom of Speech but there are some "certain things that shouldn't be said". So to keep it off the record and instead of getting in trouble. He should had said nothing or gave a clean simple version of his story since the government doesn't allowed specific classified intel on anything. It's military private info from the social media anyhow.

The government doesn't allowed classified information without permission and authority by the President and i am certain they are following the protocols the way Military has done for many years.

I don't know really much 100% about it but just my 2 cent.
 
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It's not "bad" per say, but when a game comes out and I realize it would have failed to impress me, say even 4 years ago...
Then I consider it bad. No innovation=bad game for me these days.
But "innovation" often comes at the price of solid gameplay in FPS games. CoD was great. Then they "innovated" and added perks, killstreaks, locked FOVs and P2P hosting. Did that make it a better game? NO! I was thrilled with Alan Wake's storytelling and Portal's puzzles and humor (both things I hadn't experienced before). MW3 disappointed majorly (I won it in a tournament, don't judge), not because it didn't innovate or improve on something, but because it didn't offer solid gameplay (which is actually worse than previous FPS games I've played). I like BF3 even though it didn't innovate. I don't consider it a great game, but it was decent because it (mostly) stuck to what was a good formula. I'm currently having a blast in CS:GO because it offers nice gameplay. It doesn't add stupid kill-/deathstreaks that give noobs an advantage or add a bunch of customization. It just offers what most FPS games should offer. Solid gameplay. If you're more skilled than your opponent, you win. There's no "innovative" game item that does it for you.
 
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Seals are one of the serious kick ass soldiers out there today. They do at least deserve a say as long they follow the guidelines because you serve your country too and signed a contract, normally you would expect someone to read the fine print before joining something. So it's a need to know basis only.
However, these guys went through these experiences of the grim situation. I believe in Freedom of Speech but there are some "certain things that shouldn't be said". So to keep it off the record and instead of getting in trouble. He should had said nothing or gave a clean simple version of his story since the government doesn't allowed specific classified intel on anything. It's military private info from the social media anyhow.
The government doesn't allowed classified information without permission and authority by the President and i am certain they are following the protocols the way Military has done for many years.
I don't know really much 100% about it but just my 2 cent.
Serious off topic rant here, apologies in advance!
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Don't call a SEAL a soldier. I cringe when people mis-use the term like this. A seal is a seal, a soldier is a member of the US ARMY (and only the army), and a marine is a marine. If you ever called a marine a "soldier" he would take that as an insult. Marines have a unique background and pride themselves on their background in particular - so you would never call a marine a soldier, or a soldier a marine, or a seal something else.

I know this a tangent, sorry. Just sayin'.
 
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Serious off topic rant here, apologies in advance!
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Don't call a SEAL a soldier. I cringe when people mis-use the term like this. A seal is a seal, a soldier is a member of the US ARMY (and only the army), and a marine is a marine. If you ever called a marine a "soldier" he would take that as an insult. Marines have a unique background and pride themselves on their background in particular - so you would never call a marine a soldier, or a soldier a marine, or a seal something else.
I know this a tangent, sorry. Just sayin'.
What are non-SEAL navy personnel called?
 
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Hollywood milking everything for what its worth. Writers heads are too far up their bum to come up with anything original or even interesting. There's a life of pi movie, they couldn't get me to read it in highschool what makes them think people will pay to watch it?
 
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And furthermore when the Obama administration released info on the ST6 raid, a few days later their heli was shot down and killed as a result of their id being released. Gets a total pass. Fuggin ridiculous.
Your information is not accurate. That helo was shot down as a result of normal battlefield tactics by the Taliban. There was no indication of who was on that helo that was a result of anything released by the White House.

The current series authenticity is one of my favorite parts of Danger Close's work. The stories are great, most people that have worked with these units or experienced this kind of warfare before can appreciate the stories, missions and the emotional impact of losing team members. I know many of you haven't experienced any of this, you are playing the game to enjoy a new FPS. I try not to hold it against reviewers when they are judging the quality of the game. Unfortunately, the information and tactics used to create this game are integral to the gameplay and I don't see how they could remove it without also removing large sections of the game.
 
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