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What assumption? Are you saying that "Lord of the Rings" had nothing to with the Rings? or THE ring and the undead guy who made it and wants it back? What am I missing? Plus I think it is rather ridiculous that s movie should require "research" just to figure out what its plot was about.
A lot was pointless filler...like in the first movie when that human fighter guy gets killed in the Orc ambush (after taking about 20 arrows to the chest) there was like a 10 minute scene just for him to die. Even my wife of all people even said, "Come on and die already!" and she is never remotely like that. Yeah it was sad, but the story had set his character up to not be all that well liked any way.
Did we really need an entire subplot for getting the treants to join the battle? In the actual battle they were barely shown and did not make that much of a difference. That ghost army did the majority of the work.
The lighting of signal towers? How many minutes of showing one tower being lit after another went by? Perhaps they were trying to show the distance involved, but that could have been done much cleaner and faster.
And oh my gosh, the thing I hated most of all...when all this fighting is going on and there is all this chaos, we break into yet another subplot of the mayor of the town thinking his son was dead and decides to get him burned right then and there while he was actually alive. What?
There was a good movie in there...but it requires excessive use of the fast forward button. I know I will never sit though it again...Though I only saw the first one in the theater and waited till the other two were on video and we watched all three on a weekend. The first two movies basically ended with a to be continued message and left a lot of loose ends flapping. If you make a movie series you really need to make each move able to be viewed separately.
I am sitting on needles because I am sure a friend is going to be asking to me to go to the Hobbit with them and I have no desire to see it since I am sure it will be more of the same.

This is perhaps the worst misunderstanding of a movie I've ever seen.... The plot is the humanity of the characters, which I will agree didn't come over well in the movie mostly because the director tried to americanize a book that was written in a british format. However, there is no mistaking that the ring is nothing more than a device used by the storyteller to create the situations he needs to show the unique characteristics of the people in the story.

Read that again. The ring has nothing to do with the plot. It's just a tool used to bring out the plot. If you want to demonstrate extraordinary traits in a normal person, you need an extraordinary situation to force that change. The plot, is watching the characters grow as people to do what is right, no matter what it takes...

Do they teach kids anything in english comprehension anymore, or is that class just a fill-in-the-blank bonanza like the rest? If American education gets any worse I swear I'm going to move into a cave somewhere in the Northwest Territory. This is just becoming painful to watch. I wonder how many politicians we have that can still pass a freaking GED test...
    
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This is perhaps the worst misunderstanding of a movie I've ever seen.... The plot is the humanity of the characters, which I will agree didn't come over well in the movie mostly because the director tried to americanize a book that was written in a british format. However, there is no mistaking that the ring is nothing more than a device used by the storyteller to create the situations he needs to show the unique characteristics of the people in the story.
Read that again. The ring has nothing to do with the plot. It's just a tool used to bring out the plot. If you want to demonstrate extraordinary traits in a normal person, you need an extraordinary situation to force that change. The plot, is watching the characters grow as people to do what is right, no matter what it takes...
Do they teach kids anything in english comprehension anymore, or is that class just a fill-in-the-blank bonanza like the rest? If American education gets any worse I swear I'm going to move into a cave somewhere in the Northwest Territory. This is just becoming painful to watch. I wonder how many politicians we have that can still pass a freaking GED test...

LOL...biggest load of crud I've heard of...today at least.

You trying to talk like a film student or something and I am talking like the other 99.9999999999999999% of people who just watch a movie. Reading comprehension? It is a movie! you can be mostly illiterate and still understand it. Plus you are not even talking about comprehension...I don't even know what it is but it is likely borderline schizophrenia. It is about ignoring what is actually happening in the movie and making up a whole new set of circumstances.

The humanity of characters...of which few were even human mind you. I could say the same thing about every movie or television show ever made were a person had to overcome something. EVERY SINGLE ONE. My wife and I just watched What to Expect When You are Expecting and it was the same thing...the people over came troubles and changed or grew as people. I watched The Little Mermaid with my daughter last weekend...same stinking thing. Man...movies must be really boring for you. They all have the same plot line. Thanks for the laugh.
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minecraft!

wake up in the middle of the forest, punch trees, make house... dont get blown up.
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LOL...biggest load of crud I've heard of...today at least.
You trying to talk like a film student or something and I am talking like the other 99.9999999999999999% of people who just watch a movie. Reading comprehension? It is a movie! you can be mostly illiterate and still understand it. Plus you are not even talking about comprehension...I don't even know what it is but it is likely borderline schizophrenia. It is about ignoring what is actually happening in the movie and making up a whole new set of circumstances.
The humanity of characters...of which few were even human mind you. I could say the same thing about every movie or television show ever made were a person had to overcome something. EVERY SINGLE ONE. My wife and I just watched What to Expect When You are Expecting and it was the same thing...the people over came troubles and changed or grew as people. I watched The Little Mermaid with my daughter last weekend...same stinking thing. Man...movies must be really boring for you. They all have the same plot line. Thanks for the laugh.

 

Thing is though, he was right. The Lord of the Rings isn't about the ring so much as it is about the friendships and relationships formed by the characters, especially Sam, Frodo and Gollum, aswell as Gimli and Legolas. The allianced made and broken. The inevitable lure of unspeakable power. There was much more to The Lord of the Rings than a plot about a ring which in essence is just the central plot device.

 

Sure other forms of media are also about similar points of interest, but The Lord of the Rings was mainly focused on that interest. It wasn't just about a ring.


Edited by Lifeshield - 11/16/12 at 12:09pm
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Half Life(the story is there, I think it would be better told from a different point of view.), Crysis, Dead Space (modern version of the movie Aliens) or Portal.
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Thing is though, he was right. The Lord of the Rings isn't about the ring so much as it is about the friendships and relationships formed by the characters, especially Sam, Frodo and Gollum, aswell as Gimli and Legolas. The allianced made and broken. The inevitable lure of unspeakable power. There was much more to The Lord of the Rings than a plot about a ring which in essence is just the central plot device.

Sure other forms of media are also about similar points of interest, but The Lord of the Rings was mainly focused on that interest. It wasn't just about a ring.

I typed in haste as I was in the middle of something, I didn't mean to come off too much in disagreement.

But all that you mentioned is related to the process of getting the ring destroyed. The "Fellowship of the Ring". None of that has anything to do with that mayor wanting to burn his son alive for example (man...that really drive me nuts LOL).

The plot of the movies was about getting the ring to the volcano and not getting caught by the bad guys.

The undertone (I believe that is the word...there is a technical movie/book term for it, but I am not sure what it is) was the change and growth of the characters. Including the the developing friendships. This is true for every book or movie that doesn't completely fail.

Take even the movie Predator...the plot? Kill the alien and revenge fallen comrades. The undertone? Adapt and survive in the face of what should be overwhelming adversity. Both are directly related and if they had drug out the plot and incorporated too much detail or too many subplots you then start to loose the undertone. Which is what I feel happened with Lord of the Rings. You start to see people doing things and you know they are doing them because they've changed in some way, but you don't really know why they are doing it. I guess I don't think a movie character should go do some thing just because that is the kind of guy they are. There needs to be a goal that when accomplished signifies you have reached the climax. It would like if Arnold in Predator all of a sudden stopped fighting the alien and ran to help fend off an army attacking a small village. It just doesn't make sense in the plot.
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I think you might be mixing up the plot device with the actual underlying plot. They aren't necessarily the same thing, the device helps drive the plot. The plot wasn't the ring, the plot was the same as any other fantastical story, a triumph of good over evil, the device was the ring which gave a physical reason for the battle, etc etc.

EDIT: And if LOTR drove you nuts, do yourself a favor and don't EVER watch 24, especially the later seasons, they crammed in so many sub plots and other crap that even I, as a huge fan of the show, kept going "come on!"
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The plot of the movies was about getting the ring to the volcano and not getting caught by the bad guys.
The undertone (I believe that is the word...there is a technical movie/book term for it, but I am not sure what it is) was the change and growth of the characters. Including the the developing friendships. This is true for every book or movie that doesn't completely fail.

 

I'm not debating what the plot is or isn't. I am debating the stories main focus, which is the friendships and relationships built, and broken, between the characters which is in turn driven by the plot device, the one ring to rule them all.

 

Yes, there are many undertones in this film, but the relationship and the journey, isn't an undertone. It's a focus. It is the story. It is a tale about the journey of a group of adventurers, about the friendships made and broken, about the sacrifices made and the friends who are lost. Who, overall, overcome all odds to defeat evil in their darkest hours.

 

There is so much more to the Lord of the Rings than just a plot about destroying a ring. If that's all it was it would be a very dull and generic fantasy movie and would miss out on all that made the books so great to read in the first place.

 

Let me ask you a question... what do you think is the plot to The Lord of the Rings: War in the North? Do you think it's about just the ring? Or about a group of adventurers doing their damned best to work together, overcome all odds and distract Sauron from the Fellowship? What do you think is it's main focus? I would say it is driven by the same plot device of the trilogy, but it also tells it's own story. I would also say the same of the trilogy. It is driven by an overall plot device, but it has other stories to tell that it focuses much more on and would be so much the weaker for if it didn't.

 

There may be a basic plot and a device, for the trilogy or the game, but they, in the end, are just tools to tell an even bigger story.


Edited by Lifeshield - 11/16/12 at 1:26pm
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Do they teach kids anything in english comprehension anymore

That's all I've got to say.

I'll be away for a while. I'm going to go dig myself a grave, so that I can roll in it and then fill it back in.
    
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