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11/9/12 at 6:48pm
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So I just traded a lady at work my Wii for a 1st gen XBOX 360 and I'm wondering if I can take any preventative measures against RROD. My guess is that it was used very lightly and she claimed it never had any issues whatsoever (I trust her)... Can I do anything like aftermarket heatsink, new thermal paste, etc?

THanks!

Also I'm pretty sure its the 90nm CPU and GPU model (I think its the 200 watt "furnace" model)
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post #2 of 24
11/9/12 at 6:52pm
cool it withLN2!
no seriously get one of those cooling cases for it and it should last a long time


edit: or see if you can get some air flow going, that should help a lot
Edited by AznDud333 - 11/9/12 at 6:55pm
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11/9/12 at 6:55pm
Have a look at this
http://www.thermalright.com/html/products/game_console/tr-360.html
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11/9/12 at 6:57pm
You can set the fan to run at 12v by soldering to a point on the mobo or by splicing it in to the dvd drive power. It's a 12v fan but ms has it run at 6v on idle / 8v in games. This can lead to overheating. Note: It will be pretty damn loud at 12v most are delta fans.

Also the cpu/gpu heatsink are held on by flexible x clamps which are terrible and can be replaced by metric screws/bolts thus making them much tighter and improving heat dissapation.

here is a guide for removing the xclamps w/ parts list http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/ring_of_light_x-clamp_fix.htm

Both of those issues lead to problems since the gpu/cpu chip are soldered in and not pin/socket type.

Basically when it gets too hot and then cools it leaves micro cracks in the (cheap) solder and when it gets bad enough you get RROD.

Obviously if you are going to change the x clamps on the heatsinks while you are in there I would replace the TIM with some artic silver 5 or something else thats good.

Basically it's gonna need some maintenance just like a PC. I'm sure its full of dust also. Dissasembly is actually very easy but you need a star type key, its like an allen key but in a star pattern. You can buy a kit on amazon cheap.

http://www.amazon.com/HDE-Xbox-Console-Opening-Tool/dp/9862510013/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352516495&sr=8-1&keywords=360+opening+tool

the weird looking metal piece is to put in all the little divots in the back at once and pop the plastic off. and the piece jutting out of it is for popping off the side covers where the hd sits and the one on the other side.

Yea... I've fixed a few xbox's in my time biggrin.gif
Edited by HardwareDecoder - 11/9/12 at 7:08pm
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i got a free xbox from a friend and did this to it.
was rrod and e74

it runs pretty much silent now..
http://incagaming.com/video-games/console-mods/28-xbox-360-rrod-e74.html
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11/9/12 at 7:08pm
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Thanks for the responses. That thermalright cooler looks promising, how much is it?

Can you buy a new X bracket to improve the heatsink connection?

How about this idea... I have a good friend who manages a Game Stop. Think I can trade in my 1st gen and re-buy a "cherry picked" Jasper console or similar? Paying the trade-in difference of course.
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11/9/12 at 7:11pm
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Thanks for the responses. That thermalright cooler looks promising, how much is it?
Can you buy a new X bracket to improve the heatsink connection?
How about this idea... I have a good friend who manages a Game Stop. Think I can trade in my 1st gen and re-buy a "cherry picked" Jasper console or similar? Paying the trade-in difference of course.

you don't need to buy a new heatsink, the heatsinks are not the problem it's the way they are attached. The xclamps use tension which is stupid but probably by design, designed to fail that is so MS can sell more consoles. Just like how they used cheap solder/soldered in chips. If you make the fan 12v + replace the xclamp w/ screws and bolts it will last forever.

I have a 360 not sure what gen it is but I bought it brand new from circuit city 4 or more years ago when they were going out of business at a nice discount thumb.gif I did exactly what I am telling you to do and I have never overheated nor had one RROD.

I actually run my 360 w/ the fan @ default now because I got tired of the noise but I run it completely open air just in the metal box not with the plastic top on it and I have changed my x clamps out.
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Originally Posted by Jayjr1105 View Post

Thanks for the responses. That thermalright cooler looks promising, how much is it?
Can you buy a new X bracket to improve the heatsink connection?
How about this idea... I have a good friend who manages a Game Stop. Think I can trade in my 1st gen and re-buy a "cherry picked" Jasper console or similar? Paying the trade-in difference of course.

i did extensive research into that cooler, people to helped design it with thermalright said that they stopped because they wanted to go retail without making it correctly.
also read a few other peoples feedback on it and they weren't happy at all with it.

stock heatsinks are good. the best benefit you'll get is removing the metal cage where the fans sit.
my other xbox only has the metal removed back where the fans are and works good also.
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you don't need to buy a new heatsink, the heatsinks are not the problem it's the way they are attached. The xclamps use tension which is stupid but probably by design, designed to fail that is so MS can sell more consoles. Just like how they used cheap solder/soldered in chips. If you make the fan 12v + replace the xclamp w/ screws and bolts it will last forever.
I have a 360 not sure what gen it is but I bought it brand new from circuit city 4 or more years ago when they were going out of business at a nice discount thumb.gif I did exactly what I am telling you to do and I have never overheated nor had one RROD.
I actually run my 360 w/ the fan @ default now because I got tired of the noise but I run it completely open air just in the metal box not with the plastic top on it and I have changed my x clamps out.

i removed the rrod xbox's clamp also
the one i use daily still has the stock clamp on it and no signs of issues for the past 3 or more years.

really if it isn't broke, why fix it.. not that i would follow that, but i never leave well enough alone.
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11/9/12 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by Jollyriffic View Post

i removed the rrod xbox's clamp also
the one i use daily still has the stock clamp on it and no signs of issues for the past 3 or more years.
really if it isn't broke, why fix it.. not that i would follow that, but i never leave well enough alone.

yea that reflow trick doesn't always work unfortunately. I have fixed 2 xbox's using it but my best friends 360 only lasted a month after doing it and started RROD again and I tried it again no dice. I heard if you actually use a heatgun to do it, it works much better but I don't have a heatgun so IDK. Yea i've seen alot of people take the back grate off the fans I never bothered with that, seems like an ok idea though.

yea I have a big problem leaving working stuff alone also. The reason I did mine was because I had fixed literally like 3 xbox's that month and I had extra supplies and was taking them apart all the time so I decided to do mine as a preventative scenario.
Edited by HardwareDecoder - 11/9/12 at 7:26pm
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