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but how is the one that is 5% better, really better?

Look, there is no way that a computer will last 5 - 8 years, gaming. You'll have to upgrade by then, games will just get more and more graphically demanding as the years go by. They will probably only be playable at best when it's 2017, or not playable at all.
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Are these components weak now? Do they breakdown easy?

No, they don't.

On the actual build:
I don't know much about that Biostar board or if it's a quality board, but I'd suggest getting the ASRock Z77 Extreme 4. It's a great board. smile.gif
Edited by someguy543 - 11/9/12 at 11:10pm
post #12 of 41
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Well, at my work there's a computer that didn't need replacing for 15 years. Are these components weak now? Do they breakdown easy?

The issue is not whether it will still work for basic productivity - I mean email and browsers aren't going to tax it for 5 years - but gaming is a completely different story.

There's really no point in trying to make a system that is going to last longer then 3 years or so - not only do standards change (think DX11 adoption where old cards can't even play the game at all) but the amount of money you'd have to spend now to make it be relevant that far out is completely out of proportion to the benefit now. So you spend $3K on a system now that is marginal in 5 years, or you spend $1K on a system now with a $500 upgrade in 2 years, where you are cheaper and most likely still more powerful. A completely blown-out system from 5 years ago would be an overclocked dual-core with 4GB of DDR2 and SLI GTX 285s, and it would be completely incapable of running BF3 with anything approaching decent settings today.
Edited by Forceman - 11/9/12 at 11:23pm
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*sigh*

Ok, gonna risk the trollbait in hopes that this is just a really really stupid but legitimate question.



Lets get things straight before we go into any detail or ask any other questions: YOUR COMPUTER WILL NOT LAST 5-10 YEARS WITHOUT UPGRADES AND STILL BE VIABLE FOR SERIOUS GAMING". It just won't, OK? Doesn't matter how much money you throw at it.

Ok, with that out of the way, a very expensive and well built system can last 5-7 years with upgrades along the way.

My computer is now 4 years old. It received a CPU upgrade last year and I am currently in the process of buying a GPU upgrade. I'd say I've got another 2-3 years on this rig before it's time to be retired. Upgrading on the same platform at that point would be impractical (would cost the same as just building an entirely new, better rig). FYI this was a pretty darn expensive rig.

It's also recieved a few non-essential or unrelated upgrades along the way (extra hard drives, a new pump... all stuff that I could do without and it would still be good for your gaming and "normal" stuff), so you can just forget about this paragraph entirely tongue.gif



Now, theres something you should know. Things get both better and cheaper, all the damn time. my 12GB of 2000MHZ ram was the fastest and highest capacity you could possibly put in a consumer system at the time. It cost me well over $600 bucks. You can now buy 24GB of faster ram for under $300.

What does this mean? It means buy what will suit your needs for the next 2-3 years, and when it gets old, great, replace it then. Don't try to buy the very top of the line in an attempt to make it last longer - it might sort of work for that goal for a little while, but it will cost a lot more than just upgrading along the way.

That said, don't go el-cheapo either. You don't want to upgrade within the same generation (or even every other generation, unless you're made of money, or can reliably sell your old stuff right before each new cycle or fund your upgrades). It's all about striking a balance.


And remember, at the end of the day, everything becomes obsolete. Sooner or later, no matter how good your stuff is, and how much up upgrade it, you will eventually need to just toss the whole thing and start fresh.
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The issue is not whether it will still work for basic productivity - I mean email and browsers aren't going to tax it for 5 years - but gaming is a completely different story.
There's really no point in trying to make a system that is going to last longer then 3 years or so - not only do standards change (think DX11 adoption where old cards can't even play the game at all) but the amount of money you'd have to spend now to make it be relevant that far out is completely out of proportion to the benefit now. So you spend $3K on a system now that is marginal in 5 years, or you spend $1K on a system now with a $500 upgrade in 2 years, where you are cheaper and most likely still more powerful. A completely blown-out system from 5 years ago would be an overclocked dual-core with 4GB of DDR2 and SLI GTX 285s, and it would be completely incapable of running BF3 with anything approaching decent settings today.

Erm... actually it would be a Core 2 Quad with SLi 9800GX2, but yeah you were about right tongue.gif

Oh... and it would play BF3 on low just fine considering a system at that time was probably rocking a 1680x1020 60hz monitor. just saying.


You're right though with all your actual points.
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Quad 7970 is much more then 5% better than a single 670...more like +100-200% or more.
...again, if you dont mind microstutter...
and even 5% better is still better

but that's 4 of em.
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Look, there is no way that a computer will last 5 - 8 years, gaming. You'll have to upgrade by then, games will just get more and more graphically demanding as the years go by. They will probably only be playable at best when it's 2017, or not playable at all.
No, they don't.
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I don't know much about that Biostar board or if it's a quality board, but I'd suggest getting the ASRock Z77 Extreme 4. It's a great board. smile.gif

yes it is.
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It's very hard to say how long a system will last. I can see it lasting at least 3-5 years and extending it anywhere beyond 5 from a gaming standpoint, a video card upgrade will be the most important part. New gaming consuls will be out and then their PC versions will require more power and there are more and more games out there that are just starting to take advantage of 4 threads and BF3 is the only game I know of that can actually take advantage of 6 threads.

My motherboard is going on 6 years old and I never really expected to be still using this to the date. Pretty much started out just as a basic file server with some rendering with a 3800+, to a 6400+, and now the Phenom II X4 970 black and the video card progression has been from a low end 7000 nvidia series, 2x 8800 GTS, and now the 570GTX.

With my current set up It can pretty still much chop though any game I throw at it at max settings at 1200p with the exception with some titles which I have to tune down the settings a bit. I am very lucky so far in this department and I hope my board will last at least another year but I know that I am living on borrowed time.
post #18 of 41
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but that's 4 of em.

ya, im not suggesting it, it would last quite a bit longer than a single 670 but better to get it for now and upgrade in a generation or two (2 years or so).
as others have said, a "5-10 year flawless gaming/streaming system" is not really feasible.

sli 9800GT2 (~$1350 in 2008) wouldnt play BF3 in DX11 and would probably stutter like mad even on low...far from "flawless" and only 5 years.
Edited by ulnevrgtit - 11/10/12 at 12:24am
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Erm... actually it would be a Core 2 Quad with SLi 9800GX2, but yeah you were about right tongue.gif

You're right about the Q6600, but it's actually worse than I thought on the GPU side. The 9800GX2 didn't come out until Mar of 2008 - in November of 2007 it would have been 8800 Ultras (or maybe a 3870X2 or a 8800 GTS 512 in December). I wonder how well BF3 would run with 768 or 512MB of VRAM?
Edited by Forceman - 11/10/12 at 12:56am
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You're right about the Q6600, but it's actually worse than I thought on the GPU side. The 9800GX2 didn't come out until Mar of 2008 - in November of 2007 it would have been 8800 Ultras (or maybe a 3870X2 or a 8800 GTS 512 in December). I wonder how well BF3 would run with 768 or 512MB of VRAM?

Huh... I guess you're right. I tend to round off my years to the nearest whole value in my head tongue.gif

Anyway, 768 vram isn't a problem, but 512 is. My BF3 usually takes up 400-600mb, spikes into the 800s on rare occasion. This is on a mix of medium and low.

Of course, a panel from the era likely would be sub-1080, so that might make things a little easier.
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