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post #21 of 41
11/10/12 at 1:52am
I did pretty good with selecting my desktop in 2008, I was going for a ~5 year build except for GPU and I did it for the most part. IMO 5 years is the approximate maximum for a CPU. Being almost 5 years old my Q9450 shows it's age now, but the extended shelf life on the current gen consoles permits it to remain effective enough. I'm keeping it until Broadwell in 2014 [...or maybe Haswell-E], but may change out the current HD5970 for a HD 88xx [or Nvidia equivalent] for more VRAM and some energy saving. I usually plan GPU replacements for every 2-3 years anyway.

Most everything looks good for you to last 5 years with GPU upgrades, save maybe the PSU. If I was buying today , I would choose the 3570k as well.
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11/10/12 at 1:58am
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I did pretty good with selecting my desktop in 2008, I was going for a ~5 year build except for GPU and I did it for the most part. IMO 5 years is the approximate maximum for a CPU. Being almost 5 years old my Q9450 shows it's age now, but the extended shelf life on the current gen consoles permits it to remain effective enough. I'm keeping it until Broadwell in 2014 [...or maybe Haswell-E], but may change out the current HD5970 for a HD 88xx [or Nvidia equivalent] for more VRAM and some energy saving. I usually plan GPU replacements for every 2-3 years anyway.
Most everything looks good for you to last 5 years with GPU upgrades, save maybe the PSU. If I was buying today , I would choose the 3570k as well.

This is why people (including myself) currently have such long-lasting rigs. A lot of us are either forgetting or are not old enough to have ever known that this is not normal. As soon as "next gen" consoles are released, expect any rig built more than 6 months earlier to become instantly obsolete (at least for gaming).

Based on rumors, that is within the next 2 years, at most.

AFTER that point... well, if that gen of consoles lasts another 10 freaking years, than by the time we get half way through it, a newly built rig could probably expect a similar lifespan to the ones we have today.



Then of course, there is the second reason rigs aren't getting outdated as quickly these days. Display technology has completely, 100%, ground to a halt about 6 years ago. I'm not quite sure WHY consumers are so happy with crappy 1080p 60hz TN panels, other than perhaps the fact that we all call it "FULL HD" as if there was something either "high" or "full" about it. Even today's best graphics cards struggle to push modern games at actual high resolutions.
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11/10/12 at 2:07am
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For that kind of Longevity I would say 3930k @ 4.8 and Quad 7970 @ 1200/1700 might last you a good 5-8 years.

That's a really bad idea imo. Using a 1000W desktop for 8 years. That's gonna be a huge elektricity bill over 8 years. And in 4 years there are probably gfx cards out that will have the same performance with 4x less power consumption.
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11/10/12 at 2:10am
The thing is:

When you buy, the latest, the best, the state of the art PC in a computer store. Well before you take your computer out the door of that store, it is already an older model...

That's just how quick technology goes.


Don't waste too much money in 1 PC. I meand, don't spend $3000 if you want to be "safe" for 5 years...

Buy now for $1500 a whole set, and do that again after 2.5 years...

The result is the same: you spend 5k over 5 years, but you have "only" 2.5 year old hardware and not 5 year ols hardware your playing on...


And never forget: PC's WILL make you unhappy at a certain point wink.gifthumb.gif

Either because it cost half the price after a few months, either because it's old after a few months, so...

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11/10/12 at 2:16am
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The thing is:
When you buy, the latest, the best, the state of the art PC in a computer store. Well before you take your computer out the door of that store, it is already an older model...
That's just how quick technology goes.
Don't waste too much money in 1 PC. I meand, don't spend $3000 if you want to be "safe" for 5 years...
Buy now for $1500 a whole set, and do that again after 2.5 years...
The result is the same: you spend 5k over 5 years, but you have "only" 2.5 year old hardware and not 5 year ols hardware your playing on...
And never forget: PC's WILL make you unhappy at a certain point wink.gifthumb.gif
Either because it cost half the price after a few months, either because it's old after a few months, so...
Join the club biggrin.gif

Heh, the way you put it, you're actually making a stronger argument for buying top of the line "$3000" than the mid range "$1500".

I mean, if you're spending "$5000 in 5 years either way" (which totally doesn't make sense math wise btw, but we'll just go with it), why not have a top of the line rig that blows through everything with ease and makes you happy for 2.5 years, and then becomes as powerful as a modern mid-range system for the next 2.5 years, rather than just have a mid range rig that is replaced by another mid-range rig when it stops being mid-range?

I'd rather be on top of the world for half my life and mediocre the other half than just always mediocre. wink.gif
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11/10/12 at 2:20am
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Well, at my work there's a computer that didn't need replacing for 15 years. Are these components weak now? Do they breakdown easy?

I get where you're coming from, but i doubt that computer was playing the latest 3d games, or the newest version of 3DS max at a reasonable speed. You could go out now and build a computer for general use that would probably last a good 5-10 years, providing technology doesn't change too far past what we have now apart from raw speed. A SSD will make the computer 'feel' much faster than it actually is. Word processing and general internet usage likely isn't going to need the latest hardware in 5-10 years. you can still run chrome or firefox with a decent number of tabs on a 1-2gb pentium 4 computer.

For a gaming rig, the market is very volatile and changes quickly. The suggestion with most users is instead of buying a very expensive computer, you upgrade every 1-2 years with a mid range pc. For example instead of purchasing a $4000 dollar pc with the expectation that it will last 5-6 years, you purchase a $1000-1500 dollar PC (should be able to max most games comfortably even then), and upgrade or replace it when your needs outpace what it is capable of.
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11/10/12 at 2:30am
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I get where you're coming from, but i doubt that computer was playing the latest 3d games, or the newest version of 3DS max at a reasonable speed. You could go out now and build a computer for general use that would probably last a good 5-10 years, providing technology doesn't change too far past what we have now apart from raw speed. A SSD will make the computer 'feel' much faster than it actually is. Word processing and general internet usage likely isn't going to need the latest hardware in 5-10 years. you can still run chrome or firefox with a decent number of tabs on a 1-2gb pentium 4 computer.
For a gaming rig, the market is very volatile and changes quickly. The suggestion with most users is instead of buying a very expensive computer, you upgrade every 1-2 years with a mid range pc. For example instead of purchasing a $4000 dollar pc with the expectation that it will last 5-6 years, you purchase a $1000-1500 dollar PC (should be able to max most games comfortably even then), and upgrade or replace it when your needs outpace what it is capable of.

Or buy a $4000 every 1-2 years wink.gif

Upgrades every 6 months of course.
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11/10/12 at 2:36am
Maybe get 2x 500Gb instead of 1TB. I imagine if you stream, you also want to occasionally record videos to your HDD. It would be best to do that to a dedicated harddisk, rather then one with your games.
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11/10/12 at 3:10am
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This is why people (including myself) currently have such long-lasting rigs. A lot of us are either forgetting or are not old enough to have ever known that this is not normal. As soon as "next gen" consoles are released, expect any rig built more than 6 months earlier to become instantly obsolete (at least for gaming).
Based on rumors, that is within the next 2 years, at most.
AFTER that point... well, if that gen of consoles lasts another 10 freaking years, than by the time we get half way through it, a newly built rig could probably expect a similar lifespan to the ones we have today.

That the other reason I'm waiting to 2014, for the consoles to get out. I'll still expect my hardware I pick to last ~5 years except for the GPU when I pick it. That's what I'll be shooting for anyway. I'm figuring that means an Intel of at least 6 cores if not 8. "Moar cores" is actually a good path to longevity, let the advancements in coding for an increasing number of cores that will come during the life of the rig do the work. It worked well for my quad core that was chosen when dual cores reigned supreme.
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Then of course, there is the second reason rigs aren't getting outdated as quickly these days. Display technology has completely, 100%, ground to a halt about 6 years ago. I'm not quite sure WHY consumers are so happy with crappy 1080p 60hz TN panels, other than perhaps the fact that we all call it "FULL HD" as if there was something either "high" or "full" about it. Even today's best graphics cards struggle to push modern games at actual high resolutions.

That's another thing. I will most likely never go beyond 1080p [...or my current 1152p], not this decade anyway. [....well, maybe I'd move to a 21:9 monitor, still not terribly taxing on the hardware]
Edited by thegreatsquare - 11/10/12 at 3:19am
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11/10/12 at 3:53am
10 years? I doubt it. However, I think it could do quite well for at least 4+ years. Even my current build can do anything I ask of it, and it's almost 3 years old now. Ivy Bridge is much better than Gulftown for sure, so I have no doubts about your PC lasting at least 5 years.
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