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11/10/12 at 1:04pm
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...Everyone's blaming AMD.

Everyone's blaming AMD when Intel clearly stated that this is as a result of "slow-down in demand." A slow-down that applies to all x86 processor manufacturers for laptops/desktops/tablets, which I don't think necessarily has anything to do with performance.

 

...and everyone's blaming AMD. doh.gif
Where is ARM in this?

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11/10/12 at 1:05pm
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If it's really because of low demand, then I dont blame them. There's not a game in the world that current tech can't run efficiently. We aren't flooded with games that are too hard on the CPU side of hardware to play. Things, especially at high res, are still mostly GPU limited. So meh, its a delay in shipment of the next big thing.

I get the feeling that if Intel announced that they were going to release a new CPU every three months, half of OCN would be up in arms about them "milking the consumer for every penny." Now that they're going to do a slowdown in CPU release, it just means that the OTHER half of OCN is going to gripe about them having no competition and trying to make more money, etc. Etc.
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11/10/12 at 1:08pm
This isn't about competition, I don't think AMD really presented enough of a threat to motivate them anyway, at least within the past several years. This is about low demand like the article states. If the demand within a certain frame of time is low there's no reason for Intel to push out 14nm when very few people will end up buying it. It's better to bide their time and wait for the opportune time to work on new products. Just to be clear here, competition means little, even for competing products, if overall demand is low.
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11/10/12 at 1:08pm
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There's also the fact that design is more difficult when fab node is smaller. 14nm is going to be extremely expensive for Intel, perhaps to the point where it is unhealthy to push it forward fast when demand is going to be low.  On the other hand, AMD may be able to lead on while maintaining 28nm, thanks to HSA; Intel has no such solution for inexpensive innovation because they are refusing to adopt HSA in their products. So these are going to be an interesting next-few-years...

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11/10/12 at 1:13pm
AMD needs to step up their game and provide some competition.
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11/10/12 at 1:14pm
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...Everyone's blaming AMD.
Everyone's blaming AMD when Intel clearly stated that this is as a result of "slow-down in demand." A slow-down that applies to all x86 processor manufacturers for laptops/desktops/tablets, which I don' tthink necessarily has anything to do with performance.

...and everyone's blaming AMD. doh.gif

Where is ARM in this?

AMD is a significant factor in this. Yes, Intel is slowing down the introduction of 14nm because since the demand isn't high enough for them to follow their initial roadmap they would cannibalize their 22nm products if they went ahead as scheduled. However, that line of thinking is only valid if their 22nm products are dominating the market, which is the case. If AMD came out with a processor lineup that took away a significant percentage of Intel's sales, then they would have to release their 12nm products asap in order to gain back market share.

Demand is only half the story when it comes to deciding when to release a new product. Competition is the other half, which is why AMD's ineptitude is significant.
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AMD doesn't even have 28nm CPUs, interesting argument. Intel already has CPUs for under $75 retail in 22nm, and their mainstream quad core 22nm CPU is under $175, both are inexpensive, another interesting point.
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11/10/12 at 1:21pm
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AMD is a significant factor in this. Yes, Intel is slowing down the introduction of 14nm because since the demand isn't high enough for them to follow their initial roadmap they would cannibalize their 22nm products if they went ahead as scheduled. However, that line of thinking is only valid if their 22nm products are dominating the market, which is the case. If AMD came out with a processor lineup that took away a significant percentage of Intel's sales, then they would have to release their 12nm products asap in order to gain back market share.
Demand is only half the story when it comes to deciding when to release a new product. Competition is the other half, which is why AMD's ineptitude is significant.

If AMD presented a real threat Intel would simply drop prices on Ivy bridge, due to the power of their brand people would respond more to a price drop from Intel. Mapping out an expansion seldom has to do with competition, forcing out a new product that wouldn't normally be due for another year to respond to competition now doesn't even make sense. It's as simple as that. Competition isn't part of the equation here, and even if it is it's almost negligible.
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11/10/12 at 1:24pm
You can't make people buy something they don't need or want.
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11/10/12 at 1:26pm
Well like people already said that for the average consumer there isn't anything out there in terms of programs/games that demand a lot of power. Once the next gen consoles hit the market and new games get developed I think there will be a growth. My only worry is that what happened when the speed of the CPU/GPU gets much faster than the what average people need? What would be the next big step?
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