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AMD needs to get there **** together or were looking at some very slow innovation. At least this way we only have to upgrade every few years ( aka save money!)
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At least this way we only have to upgrade every few years ( aka save money!)

You can upgrade whenever you like. Just because something new comes out doesn't mean you have to go out and buy it.
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AMD needs to get there **** together or were looking at some very slow innovation. At least this way we only have to upgrade every few years ( aka save money!)
This has absolutely nothing to do with AMD.
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10% faster IPC. Clocking at least as high IVB.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/28318-haswell-to-be-10%20-percent-faster-than-ivy-bridge
At least the same stock clocks as Ivy. We have no idea how well Haswell will overclock yet, because Intel is using different transistors than they did for Ivy bridge.
Edited by TranquilTempest - 11/14/12 at 5:01pm
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Ugh, exactly. Now we'll only see advancements every 5+ years instead of every one or two.

That's probably for the best. Since when was that a bad thing? Really, there's no setup at the moment that's lacking in power, even on the budget end of Intel's lineup. The Celeron processors based off the Sandy architecture are actually pretty potent, which is something I thought I'd NEVER say.
   
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At least the same stock clocks as Ivy. We have no idea how well Haswell will overclock yet, because Intel is using different transistors than they did for Ivy bridge.

True, we don't know how it will overclock. However, Haswell has some overclocking improvements versus IVB and SNB. I wouldn't bet on it overclocking worse than IVB.

That being said, I'm thinking my SNB will be adequate until Skylake.
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True, we don't know how it will overclock. However, Haswell has some overclocking improvements versus IVB and SNB. I wouldn't bet on it overclocking worse than IVB.
That being said, I'm thinking my SNB will be adequate until Skylake.
It has some overclocking features that ivy doesn't, but it's using transistors designed for lower voltage instead of higher performance. We don't know what kind of voltages are going to be safe for Haswell, nor whether the low voltage optimizations are going to improve voltages required for moderate to heavy overclocks. The air/water cooling people don't know if they're still using the crappy TIM under the heat spreader, and the cryo people don't know if there's a cold bug. Haswell could be a lot better for overclocking than Ivy, it could also be worse. We just have to wait to find out.
Edited by TranquilTempest - 11/15/12 at 4:13am
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