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I don't really agree. In a time where portatility is becoming the essence of the problem, a smaller die will make the diference. If Intel feels that the lead they have is enough to decelerate, I can understand that, but in no way things are going bad for desktops or the chip makers.
We are living in a time that EVERYTHING as a processor or a chip inside. I have 2 desktops and 3 laptops, 4 cellphones and possibly a tablet on the way. This is my household. Many others exist.
We are already dependant on all this. And it will continue to go "worse".
How can that be bad for Intel and others?
The world is a little bit on idle, it is still the aftermath of the 2008 crisis.
In a couple of years everything will go back to normal, i Think.

EXACTLY. The economy me be down but laptops, tablets and desktops are big sellers no matter what time of the year it is. They've become important parts of our everyday life.
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I don't really agree. In a time where portatility is becoming the essence of the problem, a smaller die will make the diference. If Intel feels that the lead they have is enough to decelerate, I can understand that, but in no way things are going bad for desktops or the chip makers.
We are living in a time that EVERYTHING as a processor or a chip inside. I have 2 desktops and 3 laptops, 4 cellphones and possibly a tablet on the way. This is my household. Many others exist.
We are already dependant on all this. And it will continue to go "worse".
How can that be bad for Intel and others?
The world is a little bit on idle, it is still the aftermath of the 2008 crisis.
In a couple of years everything will go back to normal, i Think.

no. Just because many consumer products in first world countries have processors (among other things) inside them doesn't mean everything is a-okay. For one people don't replace their goods every year or even every other year. Consumer electronics has always been a field in which demand has been highly elastic and price prohibitive for a great many people as a result. In this economy not many people are buying higher-end electronics like laptops and ultrabooks (which IIRC was another headline a week or so back).

Also, you're creating a false dichotomy. It isn't as simple as AMD wins or Intel wins. As others have mentioned ARM is also another competitor, as is IBM in a variety of specialized/professional fields. ARM is a growing threat as not only are they the number one supplier of chips for mobile devices, mobile devices are actually cannibalizing conventional PCs like desktops and laptops. And with ARM having just launched a new generation of chips ushered in by a new generation of mobile devices Intel has a lot to worry about.

BUT, that doesn't mean they should simply push forward with 14nm. Companies DO NOT just look at what competitors are doing and then respond appropriately, more often than not companies worry more about their products than the products of competitors. It's as simple as this: Intel's current inventory isn't moving fast enough; they don't want to cut their losses (millions upon millions of dollars) so they don't want to simply push on forward to 14nm which will be another huge investment. And who knows if consumers will even respond well to Haswell, Intel probably doesn't think so, hence why they're pushing it back.

One more thing. Just because Intel isn't on the verge of collapsing doesn't mean they're going to throw away money for no good reason.
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geoxile's right. It all boils down to money.
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People seem to think there are more and more families every year that need computers. The fact is, a family that buys a computer today may not buy one for 5 years. That's one family less out of the pool for potential clients. Each year that pool of clients gets smaller and smaller, mainly due to how well hardware accommodates today. Win Vista machines can easily run Win7, as well as further upgrade to Win8. If the software doesn't demand it, there is no need to move forward. Those families that are satisfied become stagnant in their tech growth, as it suits their purpose. We then see other devices take the desktops place, tablets and phones for example. As those become more prominent the PC market becomes less required.

I am not saying the PC market is on the decline, it's just not going anywhere. If my PC today can run all the software that I purchase for it, what is my real incentive to get new hardware? Some of use don't give a faux about your benchmarks, we care about whether or not it works acceptably for our needs. Most people can take it to a shop, add more ram, and now their PC feels much "newer" and "snappy". What does that mean for AMD/Intel? That means less sales for them however other companies (mushkin/G. Skill) will make a profit due to the demand of a different product.

You als ohave geoxile's (and others) points about them wanting to get rid of surplus before producing a new product. That's not only wasted money for the company but wasted resources as well. It takes a lot of effort to recycle computer parts, as well as it's dangerous and very very bad for all (eco unfriendly). So don't toss the surplus, sell it first as to at least ensure it gets some use before it's trashed or recycled.

[edit] Due to population growth every year there will be sales, it's just growth doesn't have a rate that's faster than production. Production is currently faster than we can reproduce, efficiency has become extremely good for companies.
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bye bye x86 hello arm takeover
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I am from DEETRO-IT, the Motor City. Guess what the economy crapper has backed up enough to start changing the electronics market.

So Ferrari is a super duper ride exceeded by none. I cant afford one, so I guess I'll have get a Fiat Abarth. I could get a Taurus for the same price and everbody knows Ford doesn't make a car as good as the Ferrari. Hello Fiat!!! Now what I am going to do with that tacky Olds Silouette that wont quit running? Wait I just added everthing up, I cant afford the insurance. Dam it, I guess the Olds stays in the garage for another year.

Well guess what the same thing has hit electronics it just took longer.

Really did I need to go from a DDR2, 790GX + gtx 460 to 990FX + fx-8350 + 7870? Not many people have extra ducats laying aroud to use for curiosity. In my case was getting a solid 60fps vs one that occasionally dipped into the 40s worth it. My kids are grown and have kept their jobs. My Credit cards have a 0 balance due. The Olds does just fine getting mr warpuck from A to B. Most people are still feeling the last decades enconomonic crysis's. Most dont know there was more than 1 in the last decade. I am one of the few lucky ones that decided to hit Y2K with zero debt.

BTW I have a 790Gx running. a 890GX running. a 990fx running & me ole lady is happy with her Dell 630 intel laptop. How is that for enthusiasm?
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I see good times for Intel.smile.gif The few hundred boys and girls left without jobs from AMD are nothing along what Intel will do in the next 2 years.
It may be possible some China company to start making cheap CPU-s very soon and put the nail in the coffin for both AMD and Intel smile.gif They are only CPU-s if we take a look ,some chips nothing else.I think 10 dollars per chip is a proper price for such products.
   
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I see good times for Intel.smile.gif The few hundred boys and girls left without jobs from AMD are nothing along what Intel will do in the next 2 years.
It may be possible some China company to start making cheap CPU-s very soon and put the nail in the coffin for both AMD and Intel smile.gif They are only CPU-s if we take a look ,some chips nothing else.I think 10 dollars per chip is a proper price for such products.
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Serious question, because i really don't know the answer, but why doesn't IBM provide some competition in the desktop market? is it really just AMD and Intel?
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Serious question, because i really don't know the answer, but why doesn't IBM provide some competition in the desktop market? is it really just AMD and Intel?

They could if we had software that ran on PowerPC instead of just x86 and ARM.
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