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I use my PC mainly for work purposes and when I am researching I have lots of applications/windows open. What I am finding is that my PC often runs low on memory and I get warnings from Norton and Windows. I have the Windows gadget and my memory usage is usually over 70% and 80%. The other day it went to 98% and my computer went into a type of safe mode and all the colours went pale.

It mainly happens when I have about 20 Internet tabs open (which includes the odd YouTube video), 5-6 MS Word files, MS PowerPoint, Outlook, PDFs etc. The computer also gets very hot and the fan spins like crazy, especially with videos, so I have to open the side cover.

I don't play games but mainly multi-task as explained in the above way.

From reading around, here are the parts I am thinking of upgrading to:

Intel Core i5 3550 Processor (will not overclock, I thought i7 is overkill for my purposes)

Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H ATX Motherboard (Gigabyte as it has the best warranty?)

Corsair 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 Memory

Coolermaster CM690 II Midi Case

(Oh, and will be upgrading to Windows 8 as I get it free from work. I heard it's lighter and faster.)

The rest of my parts I will keep as I only got them a year ago and don;t see any need to replace them. Although memory seems to be my main problem, I need a new motherboard for the new memory to work so thought I might as well switch to Intel and get a new processor too. For my needs, is this system sufficient?

Thanks in advance.
Edited by qadri - 11/10/12 at 1:51pm
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Instead of getting a z77 board, get something that can't overclock because you have no plans to. just save some cash, get this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130648
 
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Patriot Pyro SSD (Windows 8.1) WD Green 1.5 TB WD Velociraptor (OSx 10.9) none 
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Wood yo AltecLansing that TB13 gave me  Logitech G930 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
Intel Core 2 Duo  AMD A-6800k  Asus thing 4500 MHD 
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It mainly happens when I have about 20 Internet tabs open (which includes the odd YouTube video), 5-6 MS Word files, MS PowerPoint, Outlook, PDFs etc.

Seems like a ram problem to me. You only have 4gb of ram currently upgrading to 16gb corsair as you suggested will solve this problem.

Slow processing speed and high CPU load could also be caused by your hard drives being nearly full in conjunction with not enough ram available for use. Make sure you have enough space in your drives for Windows 8 and whatever you are working on/accessing.

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Intel Core i5 3550 Processor (will not overclock, I thought i7 is overkill for my purposes)

You might as well get the 3570k it is 19$ more at ncix.ca (Canada for me - i don't know about you) and you can have the option of overclocking in the future if you are going to get into games or just need more umph! from your CPU.
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The computer also gets very hot and the fan spins like crazy, especially with videos, so I have to open the side cover.

I would also recommend buying a aftermarket CPU cooler as the stock Intel CPU coolers are not the greatest.

Also you have mentioned videos. I don't know if you are working on videos (encoding, editing and such), or just watching them. If you are encoding on videos then a CPU with hyper threading technology will definitely benefit you. The 3770k is a good solution for this.
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Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H ATX Motherboard (Gigabyte as it has the best warranty?)

I don't know sorry. I noticed the mobo you have chosen is lower priced 119$ on newegg. As far as price goes ASRock are generally the best motherboards cost/dollar.


The parts you will not be reusing you can save and make a cheap NAS home server for storing media/files on for home network streaming. http://www.freenas.org/ if you are interested on reusing your parts for that purpose.

IMPORTANT


http://pcpartpicker.com/ is a great website that lets you pick parts and build your PC. It searches parts from every manufacturer at every online retailer and finds you the best price for your country. It will also alert you if you have selected any parts that are incompatible. It will also display the amount of electricity your PC will be using.


Good Luck with your new build, Brian biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the advice. I was thinking of the Gigabyte because of reliability/warranty. I'm sure it was an ASRock I had before which was good value but it died. Have never used MSI but have just been reading that most good brands come with 3 year warranty? Which is the most reliable motherboard, with good warranty and RMA service?

I'm in the UK so we don't have newegg. Will be using local store e.g. www.aria.co.uk

I won't be overclocking (have no idea how to do it anyway) so I might as well save the money on the processor and put it into a mechanical hard drive as my SSD is getting full (100gb out out 120gb used). To be honest, I started have over heating issues even when the SSD was relatively free (did not have the memory gadget on desktop then so don't know if memory was an issue).

It's mainly watching videos that causes the heat, sometimes a few paused at a time. I hardly edit so should not need the higher processor? Will look into the cooler, please recommend a good value one if possible.

I'll probably give the older parts to my nephew for his computer. Have no idea about NAS home server.

Will definitely check the partpicker website. Thanks and look forward to your responses.
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Yes most mobo manufactures have 3yr warranty. I had a gigabyte board and it died too, was probably about 4yrs old so not a bad company in regards for build strengths/warranty.

Something like http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z77ag45 is a great motherboard for your needs. It has 2 sata 6Gb/second ports for your 2 SSDs and 4 3Gb/s ports for your hard drive you plan on getting or any other utility cards you would want to add.

this is a z77 motherboard which means it is for the i5 third generation processors (ivy bridge processors) like the one you have chosen. I chose MSI boards out of preference. This one is cheaper than the one you have recommended, and has great thermal technology.
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To be honest, I started have over heating issues even when the SSD was relatively free

This bothers me. From what I can see it might be that you have all of your case fans installed incorrectly. Generally the top fan above the back of the motherboard should be an exhaust fan. The front fans should be intake that cool your hard drives and graphics card. Side fans should be intake as well and cool the general components.

The problem with having no exhaust fans is you create a "hot pocket" inside your pc.
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please recommend a good value one if possible.


I would recommend a Corsair H40 liquid cooler. it comes pre-installed with zero maintenance. Corsair products have excellent warranty (almost no questions asked RMA service), along with free lifetime technical support. This liquid cooler you would mount as an exhaust fan in the location i specified where the exhaust fan should be mounted. Make sure that the arrow on the fan points toward the outside of the case (i.e. it is for the direction of the airflow).
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I hardly edit so should not need the higher processor?

Yes you do not need the higher processor, the one you suggested is fine.
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It's mainly watching videos that causes the heat, sometimes a few paused at a time

Sounds like your processor just cant handle the amount of tasks you have going at once. I would recommend checking your CPU load (by pressing Ctrl + Alt + delete) along with the temperature (the temperature monitor you have mentioned). Watch a few videos or whatever causes the problem and check to see if you pause the videos is there a spike in the load on the CPU and check the heat as well.


If you get a message that says "Warning Page Pool Memory Low" it means you need more ram. Happened to me before.

Best of luck with your build and your Nephew's - Brian smile.gif


Edit: I dont know your skill level with computers or if this is just a technical problem you cannot solve but I would recommend watching some Instructional pc building videos like Newegg's 3 series PC building videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw
Edited by brian1115 - 11/10/12 at 3:33pm
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Thank you for your very informative post Brian. Yes I want a SATA 3 motherboard to take full advantage of the of SSD and other features (including taking DDR3 RAM). I only have one SSD, that was last year's info before I decided to go for the M4 based on user recommendations on here (I've amended my details on my profile). I am going to buy a hard drive too as the SSD is starting to fill up with pics and videos. I need something small, 320-500GB, can you suggest any?

It seems like MSI is good with people in the know-how and based on your recommendation I think I'll go for it.

My current case is very basic and I'm hoping the Cooler Master tower will fix the problem. I have a fan (Arctic) in my current case I can add to it. It;s the only one I have presently excluding the CPU fan (as an exhaust fan not an intake) and none at the front or side. Thankfully, I won't be building it myself but a friend will be doing it who is good.

So would I need the hydro cooler even if I'm not gaming? I ask as it will set me back close to £50.

I'm having a new problem since this morning and that is that my computer lags when I click a web link, taking long to load up pages. My anti-virus is up to date so not sure why it's doing that? Task manager processes seen normal. Very annoying. Oh, and Windows has just asked that it turn off Aero as it is low on memory and cannot run the colours or something. Can't wait to upgrade!
Edited by qadri - 11/10/12 at 6:30pm
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hope you looked at win 8 as I did the gui was terrible looking I think it would be hard to use/multitask mainly for a tablet or touch screen laptop but on a desktop esp multi monitor would look bad

iv considered going to linux b4 win8 if for some reason win7 dies or somthing

there also might even be compatibility issues with some of ur programs

windows 8 is still somewhat fresh your drivers might not be using say ur videocard as well as it could


^thats some of my opinion on win8 hope it can be of some use smile.gif

im impressed u can use 16gb of ram i'v had about 20 tabs few utube facebook n whatnot open and was probly getting near 4gb-4gb

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I'm not keen on the Windows 8 tablet style tiled look. I'm not a fan of Windows phone software (I use Android) so have no reason to like Windows 8. The only reason I am switching is because my friend says it's noticeably quicker and it is possible to get used to fairly swiftly. I will ask him about multi-tasking.
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Anyone?
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yes?
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