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Actually all that says is that they aren't updating Windows 7 to WDDM 1.2, just like they didn't update Vista to WDDM 1.0. There is nothing that says that it isn't possible, only that they won't. This has the intended effect of limiting things by not updating an underlying core.
If you want another non-software parallel, let's look at cars.
It would be like saying that Ford isn't going to offer an air conditioning in a 1969 Mustang because there aren't enough vacuum ports available on the '69. Nevermind that it IS possible to put an AC unit in a '69 and plenty of people have done it. It's just that Ford would rather not spend money to engineer a work-a-round, they would rather sell you a 2013 Mustang.
You are aware that by and large, the Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 are ALL based on the same Kernal right?

Well if they don´t upgrade to next driver model it is not cause of it is not possible it is cause they want to sell Windows 8, example everybody who installed today´s windows 7 update round and starts up resource monitor they might notice some Windows 8 drivers with a 6.2.9200 version, also windows 8 does not offer any improvement over windows 7 in Grafik the extension DX11.1 is mainly for Debugging DX 11 code or GPUcompute code nothing to do with any visual effects or any other.

Also if you own a NVidia card and open up the NVidia Systemcontrol you might notice it clearly states DX11.1 support in there the newest NV drivers allready implemet those features they just are not used in Windows 7 atm.

Also this article clearly shows in benchmark Windows 8 loses to Win7, in real world performance some games win some lose, that may be to better CPU schuedling in the Windows 8 Kernel but noting else.

If Microsoft wanted to implement changes to win 7 they could do it, but they won´t cause of monetary interest, they only push out the necessary updates to just keep a reputation and not look completly retarded to their customers if their where a super duper virus attack on Win7 based systems hit the web like it did before XP SP2 they would role out a Win7 SP2 with new features, else they wont.
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Well if they don´t upgrade to next driver model it is not cause of it is not possible it is cause they want to sell Windows 8
No proof? No point.
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If Microsoft wanted to implement changes to win 7 they could do it, but they won´t cause of monetary interest, they only push out the necessary updates to just keep a reputation and not look completly retarded to their customers if their where a super duper virus attack on Win7 based systems hit the web like it did before XP SP2 they would rool out a Win7 SP2 with new features, else they wont.
Except they are implementing some of the DX11.1 features. There goes your argument.
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Actually all that says is that they aren't updating Windows 7 to WDDM 1.2, just like they didn't update Vista to WDDM 1.0. There is nothing that says that it isn't possible, only that they won't. This has the intended effect of limiting things by not updating an underlying core.
If you want another non-software parallel, let's look at cars.
It would be like saying that Ford isn't going to offer an air conditioning in a 1969 Mustang because there aren't enough vacuum ports available on the '69. Nevermind that it IS possible to put an AC unit in a '69 and plenty of people have done it. It's just that Ford would rather not spend money to engineer a work-a-round, they would rather sell you a 2013 Mustang.
You are aware that by and large, the Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 are ALL based on the same Kernal right?

If they are mostly the same kernel why are you having so much trouble at work with incompatible software?
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post #134 of 185
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No proof? No point.
Except they are implementing some of the DX11.1 features. There goes your argument.

Nice how you cut out the part with the example of the 6.2.9200 files in windows 7 updates in your quote to prove your point biggrin.gif
post #135 of 185
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If they are mostly the same kernel why are you having so much trouble at work with incompatible software?

I don't have issues with incompatible software. Unless by incompatible software you mean "butt ugly and pointless" Metro and none of our people wanting to use it.

Well, technically that isn't 100% true either. Windows 8 doesn't like "non-ribbon" versions of Microsoft Office. Silly Microsoft, can't even make an operating system to work with their own older version of Office. rolleyes.gif
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Windows 8 looks brilliant, just a shame there are no drivers for my Focusrite sound card yet, and FL Studio performance is less than decent at the moment.
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Have you tried forcing Windows 8 to use the Windows 7 driver? I used Windows 7 drivers for my video, audio etc before Windows 8 drivers were released.

Nope, I'll give that a shot. Was getting weird bugs with Asio4all and Fruity Loops was just eating a good 15% more ram than on win7 , so until this is sorted (or image line hurry the hell up and release the 64-bit version) I'll have to stay put I reckon frown.gif

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Only way you could make me switch is if I installed Classic shell. But at that point, why even buy Windows 8?
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I don't have issues with incompatible software. Unless by incompatible software you mean "butt ugly and pointless" Metro and none of our people wanting to use it.
Well, technically that isn't 100% true either. Windows 8 doesn't like "non-ribbon" versions of Microsoft Office. Silly Microsoft, can't even make an operating system to work with their own older version of Office. rolleyes.gif

So you are able to prove that the dx 11.1 api wasn't re written, but you cant get Microsoft office to work?
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Only way you could make me switch is if I installed Classic shell. But at that point, why even buy Windows 8?

Improved performance? improved security?, more features? etc, etc...

It's only $15 bucks mate, you probably spend around that on a single meal at McDonald's lol.
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So you are able to prove that the dx 11.1 api wasn't re written, but you cant get Microsoft office to work?
He's suppose to be some developer from major software corporation or something. I find it hard to believe he can't tell C from C++, yet insists on knowing the internals of applications. Lets test him.

@47 Knucklehead: If you wanna prove me wrong here is a simple bit of code I made up. If you can explain to me what it does step by step, then ill give you benefit of the doubt when it comes to not knowing what you're talking about. Otherwise I think it will be hard for anyone to take you seriously.
Code:
00407B52 >   E9 F9090000    JMP 00408550

00408550     60             PUSHAD
00408551     68 71854000    PUSH 00408571
00408556     FF15 30C74000  CALL DWORD PTR DS:[<&KERNEL32.LoadLibraryA>]
0040855C     83F8 00        CMP EAX,0
0040855F     0F84 9B7ABFFF  JE 00000000
00408565     61             POPAD
00408566     55             PUSH EBP
00408567     8BEC           MOV EBP,ESP
00408569     6A FF          PUSH -1
0040856B    ^E9 E7F5FFFF    JMP 00407B57

00408571    57 61 72 6D 6F 6E 67 65 72 2E 64 6C 6C 00
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