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Lordikon > other programmers on this site.
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Lordikon > other programmers on this site.

I'm guessing that was sarcasm smile.gif

Regardless, my point was just that testing assembly knowledge might not be the way to determine if somebody is a real software engineer or not. A DB programmer, or web programmer, for example, may never use it. These days it's likely taught in CS mostly so programmers have an idea of what machine code looks like, and what compiled code becomes.
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I'm guessing that was sarcasm smile.gif
Regardless, my point was just that testing assembly knowledge might not be the way to determine if somebody is a real software engineer or not. A DB programmer, or web programmer, for example, may never use it. These days it's likely taught in CS mostly so programmers have an idea of what machine code looks like, and what compiled code becomes.

No not at all! I was being sincere. I even said the same thing in another thread about how you don't have an "I'm better than you attitude" and thus have lots of respect on OCN.

And please disregard whatever tripe is being said about me here. There is this notion that I've been running my mouth saying how great a programmer I am but you'll struggle to find a single post of that nature from me... I'm a first year games programming student, lol. I've never made those remarks (you may remember me PMing you when you worked on the LEGO MMO asking about your job a fair while ago).

TL;DR?

I agree with you and have a lot of respect for you! Even if I do argue about Apple with you biggrin.gif
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I'm guessing that was sarcasm smile.gif
Regardless, my point was just that testing assembly knowledge might not be the way to determine if somebody is a real software engineer or not. A DB programmer, or web programmer, for example, may never use it. These days it's likely taught in CS mostly so programmers have an idea of what machine code looks like, and what compiled code becomes.

No not at all! I was being sincere. I even said the same thing in another thread about how you don't have an "I'm better than you attitude" and thus have lots of respect on OCN.

And please disregard whatever tripe is being said about me here. There is this notion that I've been running my mouth saying how great a programmer I am but you'll struggle to find a single post of that nature from me... I'm a first year games programming student, lol. I've never made those remarks (you may remember me PMing you when you worked on the LEGO MMO asking about your job a fair while ago).

TL;DR?

I agree with you and have a lot of respect for you! Even if I do argue about Apple with you biggrin.gif

Thanks, I appreciate it. Are you a student in a CS program or specifically a game programming program? If it's a degree focuses squarely on game programming then be careful, some of those "colleges" are shady and rarely land you a programming job.

I haven't seen you say much specifically about programming on here. I think what's going on in this thread is that there are a lot of changes under the hood in Windows 8 that some people don't recognize and they assume Windows 8 is basically Windows 7 + Metro. I believe Warmonger was talking about people who were saying that about Windows 8. Not sure whether or not that's why you became involved in his discussion. I do understand some of his frustrations though, for example it's sometimes pretty ridiculous getting in an argument with a gamer about how a game works internally or how it's developed, and then you tell them that you develop and program games and they continue to argue with you about it. I've slowly gotten used to OCN though, which I feel has 50% reasonable people, and 50% know-it-alls who aren't here to listen to opinions that are dissenting from their own, they're here to explain to you why things are the way they are and why you're wrong.

My two cents: I'll be buying Windows 8 for DX 11.1, security benefits, and optimizations, and I likely won't be using the-interface-formerly-known-at-Metro unless I have no other choice. Maybe Metro will grow into something more usable with a mouse and/or multiple-monitors, but it just seems like it wasn't well thought out for a desktop computer with no touch screen.
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Thanks, I appreciate it. Are you a student in a CS program or specifically a game programming program? If it's a degree focuses squarely on game programming then be careful, some of those "colleges" are shady and rarely land you a programming job.
I haven't seen you say much specifically about programming on here. I think what's going on in this thread is that there are a lot of changes under the hood in Windows 8 that some people don't recognize and they assume Windows 8 is basically Windows 7 + Metro. I believe Warmonger was talking about people who were saying that about Windows 8. Not sure whether or not that's why you became involved in his discussion. I do understand some of his frustrations though, for example it's sometimes pretty ridiculous getting in an argument with a gamer about how a game works internally or how it's developed, and then you tell them that you develop and program games and they continue to argue with you about it. I've slowly gotten used to OCN though, which I feel has 50% reasonable people, and 50% know-it-alls who aren't here to listen to opinions that are dissenting from their own, they're here to explain to you why things are the way they are and why you're wrong.
My two cents: I'll be buying Windows 8 for DX 11.1, security benefits, and optimizations, and I likely won't be using the-interface-formerly-known-at-Metro unless I have no other choice. Maybe Metro will grow into something more usable with a mouse and/or multiple-monitors, but it just seems like it wasn't well thought out for a desktop computer with no touch screen.
I'm taking this degree at Huddersfield University: http://www.hud.ac.uk/courses/2012-13/full-time/undergraduate/computer-games-programming-bsc-hons/ We're in the top 5% of the country for computing related degrees and some graduates do placements at Microsoft, Oracle and others (so I'm told by some of the staff anyway biggrin.gif ) I know some GP graduates from here have gone onto Rockstar, Rebellion as as well as programming jobs not in games programming at all. They're teaching us the core of Software Engineering at the moment after working closely with employers who said graduates often lack this simple understanding of creating software, planning (UML, or the likes) and then implementing it. That's quite fun. They're also placing strong emphasis on team work with a sister course "Computer Games Design (BA)" students creating games.

All in all, it's apparently one of the best in the country for games. AND, we all get to meet Patrick Stewart when we graduate (yes, Captain Picard biggrin.gif ) as he is chancellor of the University.

As for the rest, I'll PM you wink.gif

I still have two copies of Win 8 to be used and I'm eagerly awaiting the announcement that they're putting the SM back in... after the sheer amount of people who are saying "if they put the SM back in, we'll buy" and the popularity of Start8 I find it highly probable they'll put it back. I hope they do, because as I've said a billion times over, Win 8 is good. I can cope without Aero, but the SM is something I need before I'll commit.
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