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Hello, thank you for the support so far.
If I set the fps to 58, it will run 2 below my refresh rate and this causes very slight stuttering because there is a mis-match between the amount of frames and the actual refresh rate.
Also, this is not general input lag, seen as there is no consistancy and the whole thing is strange anyway! Just read what I put about crysis. Very odd..... mad.gif
Have you read This Article, if I understand it correctly (very very unlikely) the dual GPU and V-Sync is the worst combination especially if it's able to sustain FPS above the monitors refresh rate, you can't have a low render ahead queue (0 or 1) in crossfire.
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up to two frames of lag if we just turn on vsync, at framerates higher than the refresh rate we we'll add an additional frame of lag for every frame we render ahead with vsync on

If the render ahead is 3 (default for Direct X) that's between 3 and 5 frames of lag added randomly (depending on unknown/unmeasurable factors), if the game engine doesn't use defaults then it may not even be in the 3 to 5 range. Specifically which crossfire technique is used can also have an effect I guess or games wouldn't need different profiles.

I still have no idea why it would slowly increase though, but if pausing/resuming the game engine (that's what happens when you tab to the desktop?) gets rid of it that may be where your problem is.
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Have you read This Article, if I understand it correctly (very very unlikely) the dual GPU and V-Sync is the worst combination especially if it's able to sustain FPS above the monitors refresh rate, you can't have a low render ahead queue (0 or 1) in crossfire.
If the render ahead is 3 (default for Direct X) that's between 3 and 5 frames of lag added randomly (depending on unknown/unmeasurable factors), if the game engine doesn't use defaults then it may not even be in the 3 to 5 range. Specifically which crossfire technique is used can also have an effect I guess or games wouldn't need different profiles.
I still have no idea why it would slowly increase though, but if pausing/resuming the game engine (that's what happens when you tab to the desktop?) gets rid of it that may be where your problem is.

I understand that, however, I tried using fps limiter in combo with vsync so it would be impossible for the GPU's to even have any possibility of rendering frames ahead.
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post #13 of 22
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I understand that, however, I tried using fps limiter in combo with vsync so it would be impossible for the GPU's to even have any possibility of rendering frames ahead.
I don't think you can stop render ahead with V-Sync and Crossfire, I don't think multi-GPU work without it. Also I don't think V-Sync with frame limiter can totally eliminate the "up to two" frames of lag - it can occur with FPS above or below refresh rate. Like I said though there's a reasonable chance I don't fully understand this stuff.
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post #14 of 22
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I don't think you can stop render ahead with V-Sync and Crossfire, I don't think multi-GPU work without it. Also I don't think V-Sync with frame limiter can totally eliminate the "up to two" frames of lag - it can occur with FPS above or below refresh rate. Like I said though there's a reasonable chance I don't fully understand this stuff.
Would It make any difference if I set CF mode to alternate frame render mode?
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post #15 of 22
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Would It make any difference if I set CF mode to alternate frame render mode?
Cheers.
Unfortunately I don't have a clue about different CF modes. A single GPU with V-Sync off and a render-ahead queue forced to 1 or 0 is supposed to have the least lag. If you try that (maybe lower the settings a bit to keep framerate up to/above refresh rate as you'll have half the power) can you notice a difference in lag and does any lag you notice start low and increase over time?
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post #16 of 22
I came across a similar issue which affects the Logitech mx518 and mx310 mice. In game you can be running around with 250-500fps. At random intervals the mouse movement drops down to what feels like 10hz/10fps and stays there until you either alt-tab out or stop moving the mouse for a bit.

I've tested both mice on 3 different machines and replicated the results, with and without mouse drivers. I then installed linux on one of the machines and tested the same game. No issues. I'm almost certain there is an issue with Microsoft Windows and DirectInput with certain mice. It feels like some kind of buffer being filled and not emptying fast enough. I have no problems with my other dozen or so mice.
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post #17 of 22
My DeathAdder has done that too.

I think it is either CPU related or something with Windows in relation to... I don't think it is GPU related or game.
post #18 of 22
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I came across a similar issue which affects the Logitech mx518 and mx310 mice. In game you can be running around with 250-500fps. At random intervals the mouse movement drops down to what feels like 10hz/10fps and stays there until you either alt-tab out or stop moving the mouse for a bit.
I've tested both mice on 3 different machines and replicated the results, with and without mouse drivers. I then installed linux on one of the machines and tested the same game. No issues. I'm almost certain there is an issue with Microsoft Windows and DirectInput with certain mice. It feels like some kind of buffer being filled and not emptying fast enough. I have no problems with my other dozen or so mice.
What other mice have you tried that worked?
I tried the RAT 3 and Generic mouse optical.
Edit: Look, the G400 has something about input ratio.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/optical-gaming-mouse-g400
Edited by BradleyW - 11/12/12 at 4:14pm
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post #19 of 22
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What other mice have you tried that worked?
I tried the RAT 3 and Generic mouse optical.
Edit: Look, the G400 has something about input ratio.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/optical-gaming-mouse-g400

Every decent gaming mouse out there (which excludes phillips twin-eye models and the RAT mice, don't like the shape). My collection is quite large. I've only seen the issue on the 2 mice I mentioned above. I should also mention that the mx518 was replaced 3 times by Logitech as I assumed it was faulty.
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Every decent gaming mouse out there (which excludes phillips twin-eye models and the RAT mice, don't like the shape). My collection is quite large. I've only seen the issue on the 2 mice I mentioned above. I should also mention that the mx518 was replaced 3 times by Logitech as I assumed it was faulty.
Do you think the mouse has anything to do with this?
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