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let's cut to the chase:

first loop, for cpu, single gpu and ASUS M5F stock block TF (unless convinced otherwise)
(all of the main hardware in in sig rig, except case which would be the C70. again, if convinced otherwise might switch to CM Storm Trooper window but not likely)

i have a few questions:

1) Are the Corsair SP120 QE good fans for rads? (if so, which?)

2) Is the Koolance 7970 block good or there is better?

3) if i want to achieve a Red and black theme, what should be the best way to achieve this while using the XSPC raystorm block with red LEDs? (i.e. red tubing/liquid and no lighting / slight while lighting or black tubing with red lighting etc)

4) is it possible to fit a 240 rad at the bottom of the C70 with the G1/4 facing the PSU (with a AX750?)

5) should i consider using a 280 rad at the top?

6) What is better, silver kill coil or biocide?

7) what is better? Clearflex 60 with red dye or Masterkleer red tubing with distilled only? (also, if anyone has a good pic of the MK tubing)

8) overall, is this good enough: (except the few things stated above) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


still have (lots of) more questions just can't think of them all right now tongue.gif (have to order in a day or so...)
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The block you picked is fine, however I personally don't like the looks of Koolance blocks. It does fine in the review so as long as you like it get it.

I would probably go with Black tube/Red lighting but any of those ways would work. The thing is though, clear tube turns cloudy and doesn't look all that good fairly quickly, meaning the red color of the water will look faded out. That is the main reason I went to black tubing, plus its super cheap at Home Depot biggrin.gif Silver or biocide it doesn't matter, you could even just run straight distilled. I do and have almost since I started watercooling with no problems with straight distilled.

Your order looks fine though, but whats with the couple of clamps? Also you only need 8 comp fittings with whats in the cart, 2 for rad 2 for cpu 2 for gpu and 2 for the res/pump combo. Since that is the res a D5 mounts to.
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post #3 of 35
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The block you picked is fine, however I personally don't like the looks of Koolance blocks. It does fine in the review so as long as you like it get it.
I would probably go with Black tube/Red lighting but any of those ways would work. The thing is though, clear tube turns cloudy and doesn't look all that good fairly quickly, meaning the red color of the water will look faded out. That is the main reason I went to black tubing, plus its super cheap at Home Depot biggrin.gif Silver or biocide it doesn't matter, you could even just run straight distilled. I do and have almost since I started watercooling with no problems with straight distilled.
Your order looks fine though, but whats with the couple of clamps? Also you only need 8 comp fittings with whats in the cart, 2 for rad 2 for cpu 2 for gpu and 2 for the res/pump combo. Since that is the res a D5 mounts to.

well, my debate is either the Koolance blcok or the Alphacool one (link) which IMO looks great, but it cools passively the VRMs and weighs a bit more so it is a bit of a tough pick but i like the koolance one too. (yes i know that there is a V2 version of the alphacool block which cools the VRM but it isn't compatible with my card)
the fade out should only happen with plasticizer no? the problem for me would be to get the red lighting right, which means to use LED fans. the problem with that is that i don't have such locally (which means to order even more from abroad aka PPCS) and i don't know which fans are good.
also, what RPM is recommended for the EX rads? other rads?

(and the clamps are for the MoBo block which came with the Maximus V Formula)
Edited by RKTGX95 - 11/11/12 at 2:22pm
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post #4 of 35
Ah ok the mobo block, I didn't realize it had one as well. Now that you mention it I know the board, its a air and watercooled thing right? it can do either or? Well as far as I can tell the fad/cloudiness issue occurs with most if not all tubing. There was a thread somewhere documenting the tubing brands and the time before the cloudiness. Cant find it now though.
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"The 19 FPI split-fin design with its greater radiant surface created high expectations. Working at lower fan speeds, the EX360 was adequate, though its performance really started to kick in a the higher fan speeds. This is unsurprising, as the high fin density isn't intended for low airflow solutions. However, we did find the EX360 can dissipate a substantial amount of heat with the fan speeds under 1000 RPM, so in that sense, it does truly achieve the best of both worlds.

However, it was eclipsed by the MCR320-QP design, particularly at the higher fan speeds. And next to its bigger sibling, the RX360, the EX360 can't come close as XSPC claims. But on the flipside, the EX360 beat the SR1-360 at stealthy fan speeds."

I would have to say however, get the thickest radiator you can fit in your machine.

EDIT: Found the tubing thread here
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Ah ok the mobo block, I didn't realize it had one as well. Now that you mention it I know the board, its a air and watercooled thing right? it can do either or? Well as far as I can tell the fad/cloudiness issue occurs with most if not all tubing. There was a thread somewhere documenting the tubing brands and the time before the cloudiness. Cant find it now though.
I would have to say however, get the thickest radiator you can fit in your machine.
EDIT: Found the tubing thread here

AFAIK the most recommended tubing is Darlene, clearflex 60 and masterkleer that have little to non plasticizer.
i thought to get the Alphacool's XT45 rads which are almost as good as the UT60. (but i doubt how much space there could be for the 45mm at the roof and the 280mm at the bottom)

any ideas of how many angles i should get for my loop? (i'll upload a loop scheme a bit later)
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sorry for this ugly bump, but i have been rethinking the way my loop would be and the order:

came to 3 possibilities of how to do the loop: (all are to include the cpu, gpu and TF mobo block)

1) do a dual rad at the roof, and a single rad at the bottom like in the first PPCS's C70 loop:
corsair-wce_17.jpg


2) dual rad at the top, and dual rad on the hdd cages like in captvizcenzo's build or PPCS's second C70 loop:
corsair-swiftech_14.jpg

3) dual rad on top and bottom, just like in npo717's build. (with the slight chance the it would be possible to mount a rad with barbs not facing the front of the case.

3 1/3) convince me to switch (810)



also, what could be the difference if i would go on a 280 top rad instead of a 240? (and which fans for that task?)

(not to push anyone but planning to order loop within a day or two)
Edited by RKTGX95 - 11/12/12 at 8:40am
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Thought about an Alphacool ST30 in the top?

It's one of the best rads out there for 1200rpm and under. http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/05/01/alphacool-nexxxos-st30-360-radiator/

I'd also put a 240mm UT60 in the floor, it should fit with the AX750 no problem, it's not that big.

SP120's are good for rads I've got a few of them, wouldn't bother with 140's they run a bit louder at comparable rpm's
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Thought about an Alphacool ST30 in the top?
It's one of the best rads out there for 1200rpm and under. http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/05/01/alphacool-nexxxos-st30-360-radiator/
I'd also put a 240mm UT60 in the floor, it should fit with the AX750 no problem, it's not that big.
SP120's are good for rads I've got a few of them, wouldn't bother with 140's they run a bit louder at comparable rpm's

oh right, forgot of the ST30. what fans are recommended for it? (since obviously the SP120 @1500 rpm aren't the best choice i guess. preferably with Red LED)
the UT60 at the bottom is problematic if i want the barbs to face the PSU rather than the front. (*cough* link *cough*)

and a 280 rad AFAIK is very close to a 360 rad by the space of it, so it should be by theory a great choice no?
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Yeah 280's are good but there's not a great selection of slim one's that would fit in the C70.

For fans I use noiseblocker PL2's, you can get the PL1's which run at 900rpm and they're whisper quiet at that speed. Not sure about red led fans but the blades are this real nice smoked acrylic and they look great under lighting.

Doesn't look like any rad will fit there with barbs at the front I'm afraid, and mounting off the drive cages like in that last picture above might interfere with a graphics card. I'd personally got with a UT60 and a couple of 90 degree fittings and a pair of fans in push on either rad.
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Yeah 280's are good but there's not a great selection of slim one's that would fit in the C70.
For fans I use noiseblocker PL2's, you can get the PL1's which run at 900rpm and they're whisper quiet at that speed. Not sure about red led fans but the blades are this real nice smoked acrylic and they look great under lighting.
Doesn't look like any rad will fit there with barbs at the front I'm afraid, and mounting off the drive cages like in that last picture above might interfere with a graphics card. I'd personally got with a UT60 and a couple of 90 degree fittings and a pair of fans in push on either rad.

The EX 20 seems nice, and for it the Akasa Apache look like a great fit. The NB fans are expensive (20$ a pop) and i was considering the Bitfenix Spectre pro (1200rpm).

and as for the UT60, i guess using a Xt45 won't be much of a difference right?
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