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Originally Posted by Big-Pete View Post

ones for really low bass the others for higher bass.
im just gonna get an stx and be done with it.
The One is pretty much a USB STX, getting both is pointless anyway. Your OP says 2 amps, how have you got those connected and are they powered subs? I can't picture exactly what your doing.
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The One is pretty much a USB STX, getting both is pointless anyway. Your OP says 2 amps, how have you got those connected and are they powered subs? I can't picture exactly what your doing.
pc> amps (amp1 goes to b&Ws, amp2 suplies sound to the 2 rels,)
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So really only 2.1.
 
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post #14 of 51
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Listen to me now, forget Essence One, get STX, sell the speakers you got now, and get Focal CMS 40 or Adam A5X, thank me later.
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Originally Posted by ramicio View Post

What do you need 2 subwoofers for? Why not just get speakers that have nice woofers in the first place? Bass is hard to locate.
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Take some time to hear these guys out they can help you get a better card AND speakers.
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So really only 2.1.

Guys, please don't just offer blind advice. This guy already has great speakers and subs and doesn't need to upgrade (that wasn't what he was asking anyway, plus those speakers posted above would probably be a downgrade).


What are the main uses for your speakers; music, movies, games or a good mix of everything? With your setup you will very likely benefit from upgrading to a soundcard but I'd also consider an external DAC to sit between the PC and the Marantz amp (which model btw?).
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Recommending a DAC over a sound card sounds like pretty blind advice to me. Way to go. My first comment was asking why he needed 2 subs. When he said he wanted 2.2 one would assume he meant TWO INDEPENDENT bass channels, which is completely pointless. He later said that he merely used two different sizes, or a 2-way setup for bass, which just makes it 2.1. Someone truly serious about music would invest tons of money into headphones instead of speakers.
 
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post #16 of 51
Two independent bass channels is not pointless, in a bi-amped setup, you have stereo bass and it does make a difference. Lot's of us do not want our sound processed and summed into one channel. It does not sound the same as stereo bass. While some bass is "omni-directional", this is not and accurate description, nor an excuse to sum the bass to one channel. (In this case I think the OP is doing mono bass, but nonetheless it is worth mentioning.)

On-board sound can sound and is crappy, on my old HP it was OK, on my new Asrock, the sound is ****, so I had to get a sound card, this is on a MB that is 5 years newer. Onboard sound is not "passable these days", in my case, it was a step backwards.

"Someone truly serious about music would invest tons of money into headphones instead of speakers.", truly the most retarded thing I have read here so far. While headphones can sound very nice, and be used for reference in some cases, it is not "better". Headphones have their own set of problems with sound reproduction, specifically extreme channel separation that can cause headaches depending on the source you are listening too. A "live" presentation is more realistic in an open environment when some sound from the left can bleed into the right, this is how us humans locate things.

Don't believe me? Have a listen to an early stereo track like a Beatles album, the extreme channel separation in the headphones cause some people's brain to bleed, play the same track on an "open-air" setup and it sounds good, it sounds more like it was intended.

"Bass is hard to locate"- no it isn't, if I watch a movie where a truck goes thundering by from left to right, it sounds better when the bass comes from the left and fades out the right, not a hard concept to grasp.

A DAC vs a sound card is purely semantics for the most part, they are the same thing. Aside from a DAC usually being attached via USB which causes it's own issues with jitter etc.

I am 95% certain you will notice an improvement with a decent sound card. The only way you would not is if your MB had amazing sound and you bought a cheap sound card.

In my case the Asrock board comes with "ALC892", which was not as good as the "ALCXXX" that was on my older computer. Also this number does not tell all, but just a guideline.

I also agree with the OP about 5.1, 7.1, useless drivel, it rarely works how it is supposed to and most times it is heavily processed. Music is recorded in stereo, movies still sound great in stereo, the surround does not work on most TV stations. It is not worth the hassle in my opinion for the little amount of time that the surround works properly.
Simulated surround is terrible, again try to avoid any kind of post recording processing. Surround may have a useful place in gaming, but that's about it.
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Bass, just like extremely high frequencies, is hard to locate. It's common sense. Ever struggle to find which smoke alarm is going off?
 
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post #18 of 51
When you mix a left and a right bass signal, you create a third entity that is not the same as the left and right together. The bass gets all lumpy, fuzzy and blah. Stereo bass sounds way more dynamic and crisp.

It's easy to see why, in a stereo bass setup, the cones are in two different places in time, independent of each other, sometimes playing different instruments. When you sum to mono, now you have the bass signals fighting each other to create this third bass track which is a lifeless homogenized version of it's former self(s). It still makes "bass", but it is by no means accurate.
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post #19 of 51
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Bass, just like extremely high frequencies, is hard to locate. It's common sense. Ever struggle to find which smoke alarm is going off?

I agree it can be hard to locate, but that is not the whole issue here, it is the effect that summing has to the original signal.

Also it has an effect on the higher frequency signals that we can locate, that's why a tweeter and mid range can make the bass sound better. Think about a bass drum, while it is mostly low frequency, it sounds better with a mid and tweeter, you can hear the contact of the pedal hitting the plastic skin, if you take away this correlation, all you hear is a "thud", which is fine for riced out Hondas, but for High fidelity, you need to be true to the source as possible.
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post #20 of 51
Subbed because I'm looking for a really good stereo option for my Ccar-puter setup as well.

I've been having a hard time looking for a good "2.2" set up like the OP as well. If I'm not mistaken, the OP like myself, is looking for a solid 2.1 output card, but then using the amps to actually separate the low frequencies going to the two subs. Just some random numbers from my car setup here since I can't remember my exact settings, but I had a 10" deep sub running off an amp that was set to 35 - 180 Hz and a 12" shallow sub set to 10 - 50 Hz. Both these amps come off the LFE channel of my sound card. Then my front pair of speakers was set to 150+ Hz and the rear pair was set to 100+ Hz with the separate tweeters set much higher. Both pairs are also coming from just one connector on my sound card using a 3.5 > RCA cable, then being split at the first amp to go to the second amp.

It is still coming off a 2.1 output from my current sound card, but switching to on-board is a very noticeble difference since I'm splitting the outputs to two amps, so having that strong initial output is pretty much out of most on-board card's capabilities.

Staying tuned to see more opinions on sound card choice though.
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