Originally Posted by ramicio
Recommending a DAC over a sound card sounds like pretty blind advice to me. Way to go. My first comment was asking why he needed 2 subs. When he said he wanted 2.2 one would assume he meant TWO INDEPENDENT bass channels, which is completely pointless. He later said that he merely used two different sizes, or a 2-way setup for bass, which just makes it 2.1. Someone truly serious about music would invest tons of money into headphones instead of speakers.
headphones will also be used but ill be using the headphone out on my amp to run them, no point using the ones on the soundcard if i can amp them plus i dont think a STX will drive myt HD800s or PS1000??
the subs are different models, but they are split L+R. the fact that there diffrent models makes no dif, the l+R does tho. ie truck from left to right, i have one sub to the left and 1 to right so it rumbles from LtoR
Originally Posted by ramicio
Bass, just like extremely high frequencies, is hard to locate. It's common sense. Ever struggle to find which smoke alarm is going off?
ive never known a smoke alarm to produce bass?! just high pitch noises, which are hard to locate cos there A) LOUD B)there to warn you of a fire not sound pretty.
Originally Posted by axipher
Subbed because I'm looking for a really good stereo option for my Ccar-puter setup as well.
I've been having a hard time looking for a good "2.2" set up like the OP as well. If I'm not mistaken, the OP like myself, is looking for a solid 2.1 output card, but then using the amps to actually separate the low frequencies going to the two subs. Just some random numbers from my car setup here since I can't remember my exact settings, but I had a 10" deep sub running off an amp that was set to 35 - 180 Hz and a 12" shallow sub set to 10 - 50 Hz. Both these amps come off the LFE channel of my sound card. Then my front pair of speakers was set to 150+ Hz and the rear pair was set to 100+ Hz with the separate tweeters set much higher. Both pairs are also coming from just one connector on my sound card using a 3.5 > RCA cable, then being split at the first amp to go to the second amp.
It is still coming off a 2.1 output from my current sound card, but switching to on-board is a very noticeble difference since I'm splitting the outputs to two amps, so having that strong initial output is pretty much out of most on-board card's capabilities.
Staying tuned to see more opinions on sound card choice though.
axi you can use an STX and split the channels with a y spltter and youll be golden.
Originally Posted by allen
Two independent bass channels is not pointless, in a bi-amped setup, you have stereo bass and it does make a difference. Lot's of us do not want our sound processed and summed into one channel. It does not sound the same as stereo bass. While some bass is "omni-directional", this is not and accurate description, nor an excuse to sum the bass to one channel. (In this case I think the OP is doing mono bass, but nonetheless it is worth mentioning.)
On-board sound can sound and is crappy, on my old HP it was OK, on my new Asrock, the sound is ****, so I had to get a sound card, this is on a MB that is 5 years newer. Onboard sound is not "passable these days", in my case, it was a step backwards.
"Someone truly serious about music would invest tons of money into headphones instead of speakers.", truly the most retarded thing I have read here so far. While headphones can sound very nice, and be used for reference in some cases, it is not "better". Headphones have their own set of problems with sound reproduction, specifically extreme channel separation that can cause headaches depending on the source you are listening too. A "live" presentation is more realistic in an open environment when some sound from the left can bleed into the right, this is how us humans locate things.
Don't believe me? Have a listen to an early stereo track like a Beatles album, the extreme channel separation in the headphones cause some people's brain to bleed, play the same track on an "open-air" setup and it sounds good, it sounds more like it was intended.
"Bass is hard to locate"- no it isn't, if I watch a movie where a truck goes thundering by from left to right, it sounds better when the bass comes from the left and fades out the right, not a hard concept to grasp.
A DAC vs a sound card is purely semantics for the most part, they are the same thing. Aside from a DAC usually being attached via USB which causes it's own issues with jitter etc.
I am 95% certain you will notice an improvement with a decent sound card. The only way you would not is if your MB had amazing sound and you bought a cheap sound card.
In my case the Asrock board comes with "ALC892", which was not as good as the "ALCXXX" that was on my older computer. Also this number does not tell all, but just a guideline.
I also agree with the OP about 5.1, 7.1, useless drivel, it rarely works how it is supposed to and most times it is heavily processed. Music is recorded in stereo, movies still sound great in stereo, the surround does not work on most TV stations. It is not worth the hassle in my opinion for the little amount of time that the surround works properly.
Simulated surround is terrible, again try to avoid any kind of post recording processing. Surround may have a useful place in gaming, but that's about it.
1 yes 100% agree.
2 100% agree again 5.1 is pointless,
id much rather have 2 full range speakers and a decent sub over a set of 5 satellite speakers and a sub. and dont get me started on 5.1 headphone WHERE DO YOU PUT THE SUB IS THERE A SUB IN ONLY 1 EAR?! YOUD HAVE TO BE RETARDED NOT TO WORK THIS OUT! SIMULATED 5.1 IS SO POINTLESS!!! rant/
guys decision time, do i buy the STX or stick with onboard or get a dac.