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ms might as well just give up and port office to ios and android. most people aren't going to buy tablets for productivity anyway. i can see ms ruling the business tablet market with the surface, but i wonder how big that market really is

They could also be big for college students. They don't need much more than Office, internet explorer, and support for printers. USB printers none the less. The battery life is also a huge plus when taking it to class.
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ms might as well just give up and port office to ios and android. most people aren't going to buy tablets for productivity anyway. i can see ms ruling the business tablet market with the surface, but i wonder how big that market really is

They could also be big for college students. They don't need much more than Office, internet explorer, and support for printers. USB printers none the less. The battery life is also a huge plus when taking it to class.

A Netbook does all that and more and is much more practical than a Surface RT with the Touch Cover. Honestly, when you have the Surface on a classroom table, many of which are not very deep, you have to be careful not to let the stand fall off the table. You don't have that problem with a Netbook, which takes up less space on the table, since the screen doesn't need space for a stand. Honestly, I feel the practicality of the Surface's kickstand is very dubious and most certainly overrated.

I just wish Intel would release 22nm Atom with Ivy Bridge graphics to replace the current ones and AMD would release their new 28nm Jaguar APUs. Oh, and start selling Netbooks with 2 GB of RAM. I don't mind paying extra for a Netbook with a high quality screen, big battery capacity and 2 GB of RAM. The Netbook is in itself a much more practical device for someone who needs a device for productivity. I can do lots of things on my N550 powered Netbook, I just wish the GPU was better, hence my wish for updated hardware.
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They could also be big for college students. They don't need much more than Office, internet explorer, and support for printers. USB printers none the less. The battery life is also a huge plus when taking it to class.

i could literally count the number of students at my college i've seen with tablets on my fingers. maybe they are just not popular in the midwest
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A Netbook does all that and more and is much more practical than a Surface RT with the Touch Cover. Honestly, when you have the Surface on a classroom table, many of which are not very deep, you have to be careful not to let the stand fall off the table. You don't have that problem with a Netbook, which takes up less space on the table, since the screen doesn't need space for a stand. Honestly, I feel the practicality of the Surface's kickstand is very dubious and most certainly overrated.
I just wish Intel would release 22nm Atom with Ivy Bridge graphics to replace the current ones and AMD would release their new 28nm Jaguar APUs. Oh, and start selling Netbooks with 2 GB of RAM. I don't mind paying extra for a Netbook with a high quality screen, big battery capacity and 2 GB of RAM. The Netbook is in itself a much more practical device for someone who needs a device for productivity. I can do lots of things on my N550 powered Netbook, I just wish the GPU was better, hence my wish for updated hardware.



I've had a few netbooks. They werent nearly as nice to use as my surface tablet. I dont have to worry about getting burnt. Or blocking the fan. An ultrabook would be better i would think.

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i could literally count the number of students at my college i've seen with tablets on my fingers. maybe they are just not popular in the midwest


I could see surface being more popular if it was sold at best buy and before the school year started.
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You cannot compare netbooks to tablets of any make. iOS, android or windows. Netbooks are extremely slow. My gf has a samsung one powered by atom. The first time I used it I got tired of waiting for word to open so I took out my transformer, pressed the power buttom to wake it up and off I went.

Netbooks are just too slow, atom is not fast enough to cater to basic windows needs.

I go to Wilfrid Laurier University in waterloo canada. I've seen my fair share of tablets, more and more people are starting to use it. I do however see the concerns with the surface. You really would need a solid, big enough surface to place the whole thing on. Whereas with a transformer and its hard shell keyboard, you can even put in on your lap if you have no arm rest or a desk.
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I've had a few netbooks. They werent nearly as nice to use as my surface tablet. I dont have to worry about getting burnt. Or blocking the fan. An ultrabook would be better i would think.

I'm not sure, but the current N2600 only has a 3.5w TDP, Intel said it would enable fanless designs, I don't know if current Netbboks equipped with it are fanless or not. In any case, when 22nm Atoms are released, you can be sure fanless designs will be sold.
 
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You cannot compare netbooks to tablets of any make. iOS, android or windows. Netbooks are extremely slow. My gf has a samsung one powered by atom. The first time I used it I got tired of waiting for word to open so I took out my transformer, pressed the power buttom to wake it up and off I went.

Netbooks are just too slow, atom is not fast enough to cater to basic windows needs.

I go to Wilfrid Laurier University in waterloo canada. I've seen my fair share of tablets, more and more people are starting to use it. I do however see the concerns with the surface. You really would need a solid, big enough surface to place the whole thing on. Whereas with a transformer and its hard shell keyboard, you can even put in on your lap if you have no arm rest or a desk.

Maybe she has a single core Atom powered Netbook. Current Netbboks are all dual-core (except for AMD's C-30, which I'm not sure is still being sold or not) and the GPU takes care of video / flash.

I have an N550 (dual-core) powered netbook, and I have no problems loading or using Word 2007.

The Atom powered Surface has already been reviewed and it is faster than the ARM powered Surface RT, so your girlfriend must have been using a single core Atom. Also, using a slow 5400 rpm HDD doesn't help. If you are comparing a tablet with flash based storage against a computer with a 5400rpm HDD you're not only comparing the CPU speed. My Netbook came standard with a 7200rpm WD Scorpio Black and it performed very reasonably, even better now with a Samsung 830 SSD 128 GB.
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I've had a few netbooks. They werent nearly as nice to use as my surface tablet. I dont have to worry about getting burnt. Or blocking the fan. An ultrabook would be better i would think.
I could see surface being more popular if it was sold at best buy and before the school year started.

maybe but what i typically see are 13 or 15" notebooks or ultrabooks. the number of notebooks smaller than that is miniscule
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Maybe she has a single core Atom powered Netbook. Current Netbboks are all dual-core (except for AMD's C-30, which I'm not sure is still being sold or not) and the GPU takes care of video / flash.
I have an N550 (dual-core) powered netbook, and I have no problems loading or using Word 2007.
The Atom powered Surface has already been reviewed and it is faster than the ARM powered Surface RT, so your girlfriend must have been using a single core Atom. Also, using a slow 5400 rpm HDD doesn't help. If you are comparing a tablet with flash based storage against a computer with a 5400rpm HDD you're not only comparing the CPU speed. My Netbook came standard with a 7200rpm WD Scorpio Black and it performed very reasonably, even better now with a Samsung 830 SSD 128 GB.
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maybe but what i typically see are 13 or 15" notebooks or ultrabooks. the number of notebooks smaller than that is miniscule

1. Why would you have note just bought a ultrabook to begin with after putting another 100 into a netbook?

2. No doubt id take a 13" zenbook over my surface but thats like 900? compared to 600?
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Maybe she has a single core Atom powered Netbook. Current Netbboks are all dual-core (except for AMD's C-30, which I'm not sure is still being sold or not) and the GPU takes care of video / flash.
I have an N550 (dual-core) powered netbook, and I have no problems loading or using Word 2007.
The Atom powered Surface has already been reviewed and it is faster than the ARM powered Surface RT, so your girlfriend must have been using a single core Atom. Also, using a slow 5400 rpm HDD doesn't help. If you are comparing a tablet with flash based storage against a computer with a 5400rpm HDD you're not only comparing the CPU speed. My Netbook came standard with a 7200rpm WD Scorpio Black and it performed very reasonably, even better now with a Samsung 830 SSD 128 GB.
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maybe but what i typically see are 13 or 15" notebooks or ultrabooks. the number of notebooks smaller than that is miniscule

1. Why would you have note just bought a ultrabook to begin with after putting another 100 into a netbook?

2. No doubt id take a 13" zenbook over my surface but thats like 900? compared to 600?

I presume number 1 is addressing my post, right ?

Well, I have my 10.1 Netbook for more than a year now, why would I shell out way more than a $ 100, most likely 6x or 7x that much to buy a bigger Ultrabook, instead of doing one of the most cost-effective upgrades you can do ? I like small Netbooks, they are just as light as Ultrabooks, but smaller and with a 6 cell battery, will last as long or even longer. I can take my Netbook anywhere without the charger as the battery will last me the whole day. It's a 6 cell, 66 W/h battery.
 
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