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Yes, we do. Plants can not live with out carbon dioxide.
Its the basis of life. Less carbon = less life.

Whatever dude you forget about the many other gases that are much stronger greenhousers that are released as a result of burning HC's, methane itself having about 4x more impact than CO2 per ton.
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I'm not even a big supporter of global warming theories myself, I understand that the world is heating up, and we may be causing some percentage of it. My real qualm with just burning all the hydrocarbons is that they are limited, and when they become scarce things like plastic production and medicine will suffer price hikes.

Fossil fuels are limited. Hydrocarbons, as a chemical compound, are not. Atoms can be combined, broken apart and recombined an infinite number of times so long as the energy is there to do it.
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I still (and probably always will) doubt hydrogen will ever become a major source of energy. It uses SO much more energy than it gives to most applications that it's not viable.
    
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Fossil fuels are limited. Hydrocarbons, as a chemical compound, are not. Atoms can be combined, broken apart and recombined an infinite number of times so long as the energy is there to do it.

Ok so which side are you on? the side that burns HC's for energy or the side that has more energy to make them when fossil fuels run out? Cuz it takes more to build them ourselves than to just use them as they're found.
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I still (and probably always will) doubt hydrogen will ever become a major source of energy. It uses SO much more energy than it gives to most applications that it's not viable.

Dude I know the source is a little bit on the technical side, but this is showing a way to expand solar power pretty much directly to crack water. No extra electricity needed.
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Whatever dude you forget about the many other gases that are much stronger greenhousers that are released as a result of burning HC's, methane itself having about 4x more impact than CO2 per ton.

I'm not concerned by global warming. The world's temperature has fluctuated wildly long before human's were even around. GW is more about fear of change than anything else. Even if humans had zero impact on the climate, oceans would still continue to rise and fall.

True, burning fossils fuels makes more than just CO2. It addition to making CO2 it produces a lot of pollutants, as carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen combine in random ways. These compounds present a short term inconvenience, but no long term danger. They are unstable and over time break down into more common compounds, which is the reason they are not readily found in nature.
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Ok so which side are you on? the side that burns HC's for energy or the side that has more energy to make them when fossil fuels run out? Cuz it takes more to build them ourselves than to just use them as they're found.

Both. Fossil fuels today are an energy source. They contain millions of years of solar energy.

But hydrocarbons could be used to store and transport energy collected by humans, whether that be from wind, nuclear, etc. That is the idea behind hydrogen fuel cells. Use an electricity source to create hydrogen, then transport the hydrogen to the point of use(eg a car).
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I'm not even a big supporter of global warming theories myself, I understand that the world is heating up, and we may be causing some percentage of it. My real qualm with just burning all the hydrocarbons is that they are limited, and when they become scarce things like plastic production and medicine will suffer price hikes.
edit: just as a drop in the ocean, btw. There's countless uses for hydrocarbons besides burning them.

While it's true there are other greenhouse gases in greater numbers than CO2 in the atmosphere (e.g. water vapour) it isn't increasing compared to the rate at which the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing as a result of our burning of fossil fuels. Isotopic labelling shows that the rise in CO2 is due to our burning of fossil fuels.

Also, if you think that CO2 may not be responsible for the change in temperature, consider this.

A photon of light enters the atmosphere from the sun. If it isn't energetic enough, it merely gets absorbed by the carbon atom and is re-radiated in all directions as lower energy photons - infra-red, heat.

If the photon was energetic enough to hit the Earth's surface, some energy is lost to the Earth's surface. Some of photons, now with less energy and thus greater wavelength are reflected. Infra-red radiation is of a greater wavelength and lower energy than light. So some of these reflected photons may be of infra-red radiation. Due to their low energy, they are absorbed by the carbon atoms and re-radiated in all directions.


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Dude I know the source is a little bit on the technical side, but this is showing a way to expand solar power pretty much directly to crack water. No extra electricity needed.

Yes but at what scale? Do you need 1000 square miles of land to power a small town? Even if solar panels were free, at their current efficiency they're not going anywhere fast. (I know they're different, but the idea I'm talking about is the same)
    
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So THAT'S where all the martian water went. JK, I couldn't resist.
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Yes but at what scale? Do you need 1000 square miles of land to power a small town? Even if solar panels were free, at their current efficiency they're not going anywhere fast. (I know they're different, but the idea I'm talking about is the same)

Yea I'll give you the slow adoption rate. To me solar panels as-is are more of a beta product. I suppose it can be argued that this concept will not be feasible for "solar paint" concepts that are the focus of new development. What is cool here is that they were smart enough to integrate this solution into existing solar tech.

But Idk, maybe one day we'll just stop doing rooftop installations altogether and go for totally integrated solar roof, solar parking lots, solar highway berms, solar windows, yea they're not solid enough for large scale use yet.
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