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Again, thank you for the suggestions. Please keep them coming.

I checked the RAM. It is Kingston DDR3 1333 1.5V spec. I've even re-seated it a few times.
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Looks like you bought a tri channel kit but that motherboard is only dual channel. I didn't think it would cause issues but it could be the culprit.

I don't understand this statement. What are you saying is tri-channel? The CPU? I was careful, I thought, to ensure that the ECS mobo was compatible with the Intel Core i5 3570k. I know the socket is correct (LGA 1155) but are you saying that there is some other spec that I failed to verify?

As for power, the PSU is new (Corsair 750W) but I checked it with a tester and with a multimeter - every single plug - and got good readings on all. The PSU fan runs when testing the PSU, as it should, but does not come on when I reconnect everything and try to start the system. I even checked the power cable that feeds the PSU to be sure that it was delivering power (got a 123V AC reading with a multimeter). In other words, I checked power from the wall plug (mains to Brits and maybe Kiwis?) through the PSU and out to every plug on all the cables from the PSU. Every one of them gave spec readings when tested with the PSU installed in the case but all cables to chassis components disconnected.

The 4-pin 12V lead is plugged into the mobo as is the 24-pin ATX power lead. The CPU cooler fan is plugged into the CPU fan 4-pin header on the mobo and I have 2, 3-lead chassis fans plugged into 3-pin mobo headers.

I don't think there is a loose screw or component beneath the mobo shorting anything, but I could be wrong. I will triple check for this. But you raise a question about which I am uncertain. My old Ultra full tower chassis has pressed protrusions with threaded holes at each of the 6 positions where the mobo has openings for screws. When I installed the mobo, i simply allowed the printed circuit board to rest on those protrusions and then installed the screws (not too tightly). Should I have used bits of electrical tape to isolate the board from the chassis? This is my first build and it would be like me to miss something simple that is obvious to anyone who has ever done this before. (IME with other electronic computer equipment, if insulation from the chassis were needed, the board manufacturer would state the fact with the installation instructions. Perhaps they assumed more experience and knowledge than I have.

I read and re-read the ECS mobo instruction manual being careful to read the descriptions of all components. One of them puzzled me a bit. There is a 2-pin header on the mobo for case open detection. These pins are bare; they are not jumpered. My old case has no wiring to connect to that header. My puzzlement concerns whether or not the pins should be jumped. The manual says nothing about it but the mobo was shipped without a jumper. I would have expected the manual to have addressed this if it matters.

The remaining issue is the chassis momentary power on/off switch. I do not have a good switch on hand to try (one is on order). I attempted to simulate the momentary switch by shorting the wires coming from the pins on the front panel header (yes, I checked the manual to be certain I was using the correct 2 pins - 6 and 8, on the 9-pin header) but was not successful. In touching on this point, it occurs to me that I did not test those wires for continuity, but one rarely sees such small wires delivered new that are bad. I didn't jump those 2 pins because the switching must be momentary, not constant.

I took pics with my iPhone4 and got reasonably good results - except for handshake the camera is good, much better than earlier phone cameras. I can post them if it will help, but I assume everyone here knows what the inside of a chassis looks like.

Again, thank you very much for your suggestions and advice. Please keep it coming.
post #12 of 28
make sure the power pin is pluged into the correct spot on the mobo, this is the pin provided by the case that you use. I had a problem like this and couldn't figure it out until i noticed that i never plugged the pin into the correct spot, should be somewhere near the bottom right corner of your mobo.
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Definitely do NOT use any electrical tape. It should sit on top of those brass standoffs just like you have seen in the past. In fact it MUST be. If it doesn't it definitely will have problems. This is the same reason that a loose screw or metal piece could be causing shorts. The brass standoffs themselves electrically insulate the motherboard if installed correctly. If done correctly, there is absolutely no need for additional measures.

As for what the guy above me is saying, I honestly am not that sure.... Every mobo is different, and some require a 24pin + 4 pin, others require 24pin + 8 pin. Furthermore, on every motherboard each spot will be in a different spot. My additional 8 pin is in the upper left corner of my motherboard. Not every board has it in the "lower right corner".

If you got good readings from your PSU, that eliminates that right off the bat. If everythings plugged in, and still not even posting, it sounds like a motherboard issue, although still possible that it could be CPU/RAM; although I think it should at least post with a bad cpu/ram, someone correct me if i'm wrong on this.

This is why its important to determine if theres any loose screws or the like. Furthermore, make double sure that the mobo is seated on the BRASS STANDOFFS in the tray correctly. It once again MUST be on those stand offs, in order to electrically insulate from the metal case. Do not use electrical tape; instead make sure this is done correctly.

If youre sure everything is hooked up properly (the 24 pin mobo power AND the additional 4/8pin, whichever is required; the CPU fan plugged into the CPU FAN header on the mobo itself, etc), then you must further narrow it down. Try it with only 1 stick of ram, and if that doesn't work check again with a different single stick. If that changes nothing, that narrows down the possibilities even further to MOBO/CPU.
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post #14 of 28
i built a system for a friend of mine not so long ago, and i had this same issue. what it came down to in the end is that when he fitted the mobo to the chassis before i arrived at his house to build the rig he had broken a standoff from the chassis to the motherboard and this was the culprit. it was shorting the mobo out through the chassis. he then fixed this standoff and it booted straight up with no issues smile.gif

best of luck amending your issue. hope you solve it fast and have little frustration smile.gif

and kmac, as for what jojoenglish was reffering to was the front panel headers and the front panel i/o wiering being installed correctly.

as for the cpu/ram issue. aslong as the RAM is DDR3 it will still post as for CPU. it wouldn't fit the socket if it was wrong. but it is a z77 board and an ivy i5 and that is all correct. weather the CPU or RAM is faulty, i can't say. the best way to test it is try the components on a working system. maybe a friend or local computer shop can do this for you?

but i do recommend trying to post with just your CPU, RAM connected to your mo/bo to minimize anything else from the equation.
Edited by AngelZest - 11/13/12 at 2:35pm
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Thanks for the suggestions! It means a lot to have them from those more experienced than I am.

First, I did NOT use any stand-offs. The old mobo had to use 4 because its screw holes didn't line up with the case brass fitted protrusions. The ECS mobo has 6 screw holes and they align with the chassis mount holes.

I will pull the mobo to be absolutely CERTAIN that there are no loose screws anywhere except inside my head.

I will also pull the battery from the mobo before removing the mobo and replace after I've replaced the board.

I will also try with a single stick of RAM - and try each stick by itself if need be.

Here's an image of the header pin out for the chassis front panel. It is located in the lower right corner of the mobo. I have wires connected to pins 6 and 8. According to the ECS manual the pins are odd numbered on the bottom and even numbered across the top (only 4 pins) left to right.



As suggested I went back to my profile and filled in what little I know about my rig. The boxes and manuals and even the manufacturers' web sites don't provide all that information. I think I probably need a wiki on each line for each component. Shows you what a noob I am to builds.

Again, thank you much for your help.
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I checked the RAM. It is Kingston DDR3 1333 1.5V spec. I've even re-seated it a few times.
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Looks like you bought a tri channel kit but that motherboard is only dual channel. I didn't think it would cause issues but it could be the culprit.

I don't understand this statement. What are you saying is tri-channel? The CPU? I was careful, I thought, to ensure that the ECS mobo was compatible with the Intel Core i5 3570k. I know the socket is correct (LGA 1155) but are you saying that there is some other spec that I failed to verify?

LGA 1366 used tri channel ram so you would typically buy 3 or 6 modules at a time. You mentioned you got a set of 6 modules? A typical dual channel setup (like that of sandy/ivy bridge) would be 2 or 4 modules of RAM.

As far as i know this is nothing to be concerned about because RAM is RAM and it doesn't know weather it was meant for tri or dual channel anyway. Is your memory listed in the qualified vender list in the mobo manual?
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LGA 1366 used tri channel ram so you would typically buy 3 or 6 modules at a time. You mentioned you got a set of 6 modules? A typical dual channel setup (like that of sandy/ivy bridge) would be 2 or 4 modules of RAM.

As far as i know this is nothing to be concerned about because RAM is RAM and it doesn't know weather it was meant for tri or dual channel anyway. Is your memory listed in the qualified vender list in the mobo manual?

OK, I understand now. I bought the 6 sticks of RAM when it was on special from Amazon or Newegg or TigerDirect or somebody 6 or 8 months ago. I checked that the spec was good for the Core i5 which requires LGA 1155 which I then discovered that the mobo of choice has only 4 slots; so I have 2 extra sticks of RAM.

Thanks for helping me understand the point. I've got spares or a little RAM to sell.
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What are the protrusions you are talking about? Are they actually little brass stand offs that you screw into the case that line up with the holes of the motherboard? If not and the protrusions are actually part of the case i think that is the problem. It really sounds like something is grounding out. If it was the ram or cpu it should beep( if you have a litlle speaker hooked to the motherboard). I would take it back apart and check the stand offs again. Just my 2 cents. Some pic could help also
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Thanks for the suggestions! It means a lot to have them from those more experienced than I am.
First, I did NOT use any stand-offs. The old mobo had to use 4 because its screw holes didn't line up with the case brass fitted protrusions. The ECS mobo has 6 screw holes and they align with the chassis mount holes.
I will pull the mobo to be absolutely CERTAIN that there are no loose screws anywhere except inside my head.
I will also pull the battery from the mobo before removing the mobo and replace after I've replaced the board.
I will also try with a single stick of RAM - and try each stick by itself if need be.
Here's an image of the header pin out for the chassis front panel. It is located in the lower right corner of the mobo. I have wires connected to pins 6 and 8. According to the ECS manual the pins are odd numbered on the bottom and even numbered across the top (only 4 pins) left to right.

As suggested I went back to my profile and filled in what little I know about my rig. The boxes and manuals and even the manufacturers' web sites don't provide all that information. I think I probably need a wiki on each line for each component. Shows you what a noob I am to builds.
Again, thank you much for your help.

If your not using any standoffs, how did you screw the Motherboard to the case? (PICS). redface.gif
     
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I smell a Standoffs problem here
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