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Windows 8. Ugly interface?

Get ClassicShell. It takes seconds to download and install. I'm sure you spend longer than that just posting and complaining about the new interface.
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post #52 of 91
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Difference between Steve Jobs and Steven Sinofsky is that one was the CEO, and the other isn't. Also, if I remember correctly, Steve Jobs was ousted at one point for not playing well with others. They brought him back because the company was failing, and he resurrected them. Because he saved the company from failing is the main reason why he was able to stay. Microsoft is not a failing company, and it's far too early to call Windows 8 a success or failure.

Steve Jobs wasn't the CEO when he was ousted (he was removed from his managerial duties as head of the Macintosh division, and he resigned from Apple five months later), John Sculley was. And the reason he was ousted was two fold, his behaviour and the disappointing sales. He may have been erratic, but if the sales were there, everybody would be happy at the end of the month, or at least happy enough to put up with him.

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While Jobs was a persuasive and charismatic director for Apple, some of his employees from that time described him as an erratic and temperamental manager. Disappointing sales caused a deterioration in Jobs's working relationship with Sculley and it eventually became a power struggle between Jobs and Sculley.[65] Jobs kept meetings running past midnight, sent out lengthy faxes, then called new meetings at 7:00 am.[66]

Sculley learned that Jobs—who believed Sculley to be "bad for Apple" and the wrong person to lead the company—had been attempting to organize a boardroom coup, and on May 24, 1985, called a board meeting to resolve the matter.[65] Apple's board of directors sided with Sculley and removed Jobs from his managerial duties as head of the Macintosh division.[67][68] Jobs resigned from Apple five months later[65] and founded NeXT Inc. the same year.

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If Windows 8 is such a success, why would Sinofsky quit voluntarily before the holiday numbers are out ? He could have taken a vacation and then announce his departure in January or February of next year, what is the rush ? If he really quit on his own volition, it's a move that will hurt Microsoft. You don't quit before you reap the benefits of your work, that is a nonsensical thing to do, which leads me to believe that his management style led to teams not working together and thus why Windows 8 feels like two OSes badly glued together.
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Steve Jobs wasn't the CEO when he was ousted (he was removed from his managerial duties as head of the Macintosh division, and he resigned from Apple five months later), John Sculley was. And the reason he was ousted was two fold, his behaviour and the disappointing sales. He may have been erratic, but if the sales were there, everybody would be happy at the end of the month, or at least happy enough to put up with him.
From Wikipedia
If Windows 8 is such a success, why would Sinofsky quit voluntarily before the holiday numbers are out ? He could have taken a vacation and then announce his departure in January or February of next year, what is the rush ? If he really quit on his own volition, it's a move that will hurt Microsoft. You don't quit before you reap the benefits of your work, that is a nonsensical thing to do, which leads me to believe that his management style led to teams not working together and thus why Windows 8 feels like two OSes badly glued together.

Because people are bias, anyone that says it is an overwhelming success is being dishoest and anyone saying ot is a bigger failure than vista is also lying. It is an os met with mixed reviews from the best thing ever to a major step back. Heck I was on yahoo business and it was getting torn apart and on forbes it was a love fest.
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Because people are bias, anyone that says it is an overwhelming success is being dishoest and anyone saying ot is a bigger failure than vista is also lying. It is an os met with mixed reviews from the best thing ever to a major step back. Heck I was on yahoo business and it was getting torn apart and on forbes it was a love fest.

Exactly. The initial impressions are so mixed that there is no way to tell whether it will be a success or failure (relative to Vista and 7).
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Hyper-V is seriously lacking in comparison to VMware, so no thanks.
I've been mounting ISO's for a decade.
It's called VMware, VBox seamless mode and their capabilities far outstrip that of Hyper-V.
DO NOT WANT.
I would rather totally back my PC up with Acronis, which runs alongside Windows in case something catastrophic happens.
Your own comments say enough.
The cloud can die in a fire. Anyone who trusts in the cloud deserves to lose all their freedom because they don't want it in the first place.
Yes, pastel coloured tablet interface.
I would not be surprised if this guy was fired over Win 8. Every time I start Win 8 I want to claw my own eyes out, going from Win 7 to Win 8 is like going back to Win 3.11, it's ugly, and a major step back.
I do not want a desktop OS that makes it blatantly obvious it's a tablet OS by having Pen and Touch and Tablet PC Settings in the Control Panel.
Why dont you go and install Start8,Classic shell or pokki if you dislike the look of the metroui that bad. Instead of complaining about it in almost every windows 8 thread that pops up. Those 3 tools exist for a reason. Yet people like you who moan and complain over metroui act like those tools dont exist. to Solve the main issues alot of you is having which is the metroUI.
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Because people are bias, anyone that says it is an overwhelming success is being dishoest and anyone saying ot is a bigger failure than vista is also lying. It is an os met with mixed reviews from the best thing ever to a major step back. Heck I was on yahoo business and it was getting torn apart and on forbes it was a love fest.

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Because people are bias, anyone that says it is an overwhelming success is being dishoest and anyone saying ot is a bigger failure than vista is also lying. It is an os met with mixed reviews from the best thing ever to a major step back. Heck I was on yahoo business and it was getting torn apart and on forbes it was a love fest.

Exactly. The initial impressions are so mixed that there is no way to tell whether it will be a success or failure (relative to Vista and 7).

Don't kid yourselves. A product with mixed reviews that is launched after the successful Windows 7, amidst a problematic world economy ? Let me guess what people are more likely to do: they won't buy so many computers, they won't upgrade the ones they have and will stay with or opt for mobile devices they already know. The cause of weak sales is two fold: on the one hand you have good alternatives - stay with Windows 7 on the desktop and stay or buy the competitors choices in the mobile arena, on the other you don't have too much money to take chances, so you prioritize other things in life; it would take a product launch with universal acclaim for some people to give the product a chance or change their priorities.
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Don't kid yourselves. A product with mixed reviews that is launched after the successful Windows 7, amidst a problematic world economy ? Let me guess what people are more likely to do: they won't buy so many computers, they won't upgrade the ones they have and will stay with or opt for mobile devices they already know. The cause of weak sales is two fold: on the one hand you have good alternatives - stay with Windows 7 on the desktop and stay or buy the competitors choices in the mobile arena, on the other you don't have too much money to take chances, so you prioritize other things in life; it would take a product launch with universal acclaim for some people to give the product a chance or change their priorities.

What you are saying could very well be the result of Steve Sinofsky, but I don't think it warrants an ousting. If you can prove that mixed reviews are the exception and not the norm for Windows upgrades I might be on your side here. As you mentioned, he's been there since 1989, I don't think they would just throw a company man out for one mistake if he's been contributing to their success for this long.

But even the source here makes it a point to link to their recent questioning of his leadership style (here). And they bring it all back with a little hint in this one:
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"Steven is a rare talent," a Microsoft executive told CNET in last month's profile of him. But "as you think about future leadership, collaboration will be critical in a way it has never has before."

IMO it's obvious and I think people trying to blame a bad OS for his termination are trying to use this as an excuse to flame win8 again, and again, and again, every chance they see but you all go and do what you feel is right.

edit: I didn't even consider that most of the changes that people have a hard time with are clearly intentional parts of the company's road map, as opposed to failings in execution. Duh.
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I hope Google picks him up
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Exactly. The initial impressions are so mixed that there is no way to tell whether it will be a success or failure (relative to Vista and 7).

This is also correct. If anyone remembers the reviews on ME will remember nobody liked the OS. It was buggy, it crashed randomly, etc. I will give MS that they made a quality OS, a lot of people just don't like the beautiful round windows in 7 to the square ones in 8 and MS taking the classic option away irks a lot of people.
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If Windows 8 is such a success, why would Sinofsky quit voluntarily before the holiday numbers are out ? He could have taken a vacation and then announce his departure in January or February of next year, what is the rush ? If he really quit on his own volition, it's a move that will hurt Microsoft. You don't quit before you reap the benefits of your work, that is a nonsensical thing to do, which leads me to believe that his management style led to teams not working together and thus why Windows 8 feels like two OSes badly glued together.

Or it simply came to a power struggle between Ballmer and him and he lost. Either way this guy didn't decide that Win 8 was going to look like this on his own. The entire corporation is moving to integration, which means he was told to do it. Thus I am led to believe he either didn't like the direction the company is taking and quit or he was ousted because Ballmer isn't ready to retire and thinks he's another Gates, who even made the XBox BSODing look funny.

To be honest it doesn't matter why he quit, it's pure speculation.
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Steve Jobs wasn't the CEO when he was ousted (he was removed from his managerial duties as head of the Macintosh division, and he resigned from Apple five months later), John Sculley was. And the reason he was ousted was two fold, his behaviour and the disappointing sales. He may have been erratic, but if the sales were there, everybody would be happy at the end of the month, or at least happy enough to put up with him.
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If Windows 8 is such a success, why would Sinofsky quit voluntarily before the holiday numbers are out ? He could have taken a vacation and then announce his departure in January or February of next year, what is the rush ? If he really quit on his own volition, it's a move that will hurt Microsoft. You don't quit before you reap the benefits of your work, that is a nonsensical thing to do, which leads me to believe that his management style led to teams not working together and thus why Windows 8 feels like two OSes badly glued together.

I never know how reliable Wikipedia is but this is an interesting insight. It was obvious that Steve Jobs was a dictator of the worst kind but I didn't know he thought himself God. I'm glad you've clarified that.

What I would like to say is that he was brought back not because he was such a great innovator but because he was an expert at marketing.
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Why dont you go and install Start8,Classic shell or pokki if you dislike the look of the metroui that bad. Instead of complaining about it in almost every windows 8 thread that pops up. Those 3 tools exist for a reason. Yet people like you who moan and complain over metroui act like those tools dont exist. to Solve the main issues alot of you is having which is the metroUI.

I do have certain tools installed to avoid Metro but there still is no way to avoid the 3.xx look of Win 8.

Also he listed some improvements and posted they were no improvements at all.
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