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Hmmmmm........ I wonder what happened
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post #62 of 91
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I never know how reliable Wikipedia is but this is an interesting insight. It was obvious that Steve Jobs was a dictator of the worst kind but I didn't know he thought himself God. I'm glad you've clarified that.

If you read the article on Wikipedia you'll see that there are footnote references to published books, so it's as reliable as any other article that is based on published books.
 
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Not all that surprising. Windows 7 was polished and refined at launch. Windows 8 still feels unfinished. Just like Vista, Windows 8 is usable right now, and with the right tweaks its even better than Windows 7, but the Modern UI elements are just pathetic. Microsoft should have launched with a host of killer apps for everything you'd want to do on your computer. Apple launched the iPhone without an app store and it was still amazing, because it did everything you wanted to do with a phone.
  • Windows 8 on the other hand doesn't even have a proper music or video player. Xbox Music and Xbox Video are disgusting attempts at advertising.
  • They're going to charge you $10 to add Media Center, and its the same Media Center that shipped for free with Vista.
  • Office 2013 isn't even finished yet.
  • You can only use IE10's Modern UI if it's the default browser, and it seems they haven't thought up any way of switching between desktop and modern UIs for apps that want to support both.
  • On the topic of things Microsoft hasn't bothered to support: you can't use modern UI apps on more than a single monitor at the time, and switching between monitors is buggy and unpredictable.
Contrast that all with the mostly refined and improved desktop mode and it feels like Windows 8 was made by two separate teams that had virtually no communication with each other. Its no wonder Sinofsky was sacked for the colossal mismanagement involved during development.

  • Windows media player is in the desktop of windows 8 and it's easy for it to be the default media player. VLC also exists
  • This is due to the regulation with the EU, and currently they are offering it for free for a limited time. It's also why they can subsidize a $15 or $40 upgrade install instead of the $150 that it used to cost you.
  • Office 2013 RTMed a while ago and MS is moving away from the standard Office to Office 365 and its subscription option.
  • This is so that if you make chrome on the desktop the default browser, chrome metro appears and same with firefox. If you don't want to use ie on the desktop, why would you want to use it in metro in the first place? Also, Metro and the desktop runs two separate kernels, it's not possible to integrate both due to the differences between both. Chrome/Firefox technically supports both and is able to change both Metro and the Desktop.
  • Dual screen+ makes scaling metro apps really weird and you wouldn't want to use it with two monitors in the first place. Metro was all about fullscreen apps, and switching from a 16:9 to 32:9 or another weird aspect ratio would make app development a nightmare to support these aspect ratios. This is the reason why most games don't support dual monitors stretched out. I don't know how switching monitors are buggy and unpredictable, but one thing they did add in Windows 8 was to have the taskbar on both monitors which was a godsend.

I'm inclined to believe that Sinofsky was outed due to power struggles and internal conflict. But no one will know because MS doesn't want you to know.
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Eyefinity and nVSurround is buggy. Regular desktop extended multimonitor support is better than what's in 7.
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post #65 of 91
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post

Not all that surprising. Windows 7 was polished and refined at launch. Windows 8 still feels unfinished. Just like Vista, Windows 8 is usable right now, and with the right tweaks its even better than Windows 7, but the Modern UI elements are just pathetic. Microsoft should have launched with a host of killer apps for everything you'd want to do on your computer. Apple launched the iPhone without an app store and it was still amazing, because it did everything you wanted to do with a phone.
  • Windows 8 on the other hand doesn't even have a proper music or video player. Xbox Music and Xbox Video are disgusting attempts at advertising.
    Agreed, but there will be better ones in time. Hell, there already are. Multimedia8 is pretty good.
  • They're going to charge you $10 to add Media Center, and its the same Media Center that shipped for free with Vista.
    Plenty of free alternatives (MediaPortal...) Unless they magically don't work without Media Center, in which case - I agree.
  • Office 2013 isn't even finished yet.
    What's your point? smile.gif Windows RT users will get the upgrade for free anyway - and in its current state it is 100% usable.
  • You can only use IE10's Modern UI if it's the default browser, and it seems they haven't thought up any way of switching between desktop and modern UIs for apps that want to support both.
    This is the same for all browsers that support the new modern UI mode. And what do you mean by "switching between desktop and modern UI for apps that want to support both"?
  • On the topic of things Microsoft hasn't bothered to support: you can't use modern UI apps on more than a single monitor at the time, and switching between monitors is buggy and unpredictable.
    I've never had an issue switching between monitors even in the developer preview... redface.gif
Contrast that all with the mostly refined and improved desktop mode and it feels like Windows 8 was made by two separate teams that had virtually no communication with each other. Its no wonder Sinofsky was sacked for the colossal mismanagement involved during development.
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This might shed some light on things. Looks like Gates pushed him out because he didn't play well with others and didn't want to share and blend departments.

http://allthingsd.com/20121113/in-the-sinofsky-departure-bill-gates-sided-with-the-other-steve-ballmer-at-microsoft/
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Good, glad he left. If he was indeed responsible for the launch of windows 8, then he SHOULD leave the company. Windows 8 was too radical a change from previous versions of windows for me, and I hate every aspect of it on a computer that is not a tablet or phone. Specially hate the fact that with most laptops that have a dedicated radeon graphics card like a 6770m , it's not compatible with windows 8. Lots of bullcrap you have to deal with to get some of your hardware to work right with it, just to be able to even game on it ( I understand that alot of it has to do with the manufacturer, but still... I'm irritiated that I wasted 14.99 for this upgrade, and hopefully soon, I can get a refund. Guess i'll be waiting to see if windows 9 is any better, and if not, then I guess i'll have to quit using a computer all together, because I refuse to give into uncomfortable, and radical changes to a major OS, that is used by millions of people. To do this to their customers is absolutley asinine. Ohh, and lets not offer windows media center for free anymore, and let's start to CHARGE people for it... I could go on, and on about perfectly logical, and genuine reasons, and concerns supporting my opinion on why I hate windows 8, but i'll jsut stop here and state that I wish the man good luck, on other job ventures, and hope he isn't the one who messes up perfectly functioning products, that have no reason to changeso drastically/ end rant.

He's responsible for Windows 8, but that's certainly not why he's leaving -- or else they wouldn't be promoting Windows 8 engineers to take over some of his responsibilities.
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This might shed some light on things. Looks like Gates pushed him out because he didn't play well with others and didn't want to share and blend departments.
http://allthingsd.com/20121113/in-the-sinofsky-departure-bill-gates-sided-with-the-other-steve-ballmer-at-microsoft/

Could this be because he didn't want to have MS create one OS for all platforms but wanted to keep them seperate? After all what else could blend departments mean? If this is the case it will mean not everyone in MS is happy about what is happening and we might see more leave.
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Wow, very surprising turn of events. I wonder how this will effect Microsoft in the long run....
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Could this be because he didn't want to have MS create one OS for all platforms but wanted to keep them seperate? After all what else could blend departments mean? If this is the case it will mean not everyone in MS is happy about what is happening and we might see more leave.

That interpretation could certainly explain the slightly schizophrenic nature of Windows 8; on the one hand an even more polished and refined desktop experience in the vein of Windows 7, and on the other an attempt to create an integrated ecosystem covering all devices and which strives to make the desktop irrelevant. It certainly seems plausible that the former springs from the mind and management style of Sinfosky, while the latter was an imposition by the Apple-obsessed Ballmer, and it puts an interesting spin on Windows 8 as a kind of software-based metaphor for the internal power struggles within the company.
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