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ok..lemme put my spin on it biggrin.gif

GPU $80 (shipped) http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD-677X-ZNFR-R&cat=VCD
MOBO $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332
CPU $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116405
PSU $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182199
RAM $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096

$293 so far

+ $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697 Seagates are crap..but it's a good deal..get some other hard drive to back your stuff up onto within 6 mos.

Total:$293+50

AMD switch:
CPU $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103886 I believe that's a Callisto? They clock really nice n tight..upwards of 4.0

Mobo: $50 (refurb) http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=A780L3G-R&cat=MBB It has overclocking features smile.gif

You save $15 by going AMD ..Intel platform=no overclocking but good single threaded.Good for most games
AMD platform=1 extra core for sure..possibly 2(more than Intel) ..and overclocking..not quite as good single-thread for gaming..yet adequate for most games.
Edited by Schmuckley - 11/14/12 at 6:57am
 
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^ My spin on a low budget discrete card gaming config would probably look like Schmuckley's except probably go like this:
Sapphire 7750 - $89 shipped [NCIX] steal, go for it. The 7750 outperforms a 6770 and a 550 Ti while using less power.

Athlon II x4 640 - $65 shipped [NCIX] told you all it costs less

GA-78LMT-USB3 - $60 shipped [NCIX] has even better overclocking features and AM3+ socket (and not refurbished)

AMD Entertainment 2x4GB DDR3-1600 - $30 shipped [NCIX] at this budget I would not prioritize super-magic RAM when this provides a solid DDR3-1600 enhanced timings solution for less (enabling better balance).

Corsair CX 430 V2 (by the way, this IS a V2) - $40 shipped, $15 rebate [NCIX] - Even more savings, does the job (esp. with a 7750)

 

Saved $6

 

If you're willing to forego one of the big-name PSU brands and get the Mushkin Volta 500W for $22 shipped [NCIX] - I have sources who have told me that this PSU will actually hit 80%+ efficiency with a single card setup and is quite fine internally at this price - you'll free up enough cash to bump to a 7770.


Comparing against the G850, the extra cores of the x4 640 would give you a more consistent experience in the event of multitasking. You'll want to make a serious consideration based on your games of choice, however. The lack of L3 puts the 640 behind the Phenom II and behind the 850 in many gaming tasks alone.

 

I would place serious consideration into approaching the A10-5800k (or 5700) + 6670 or 6570 CrossfireX setup. As far as I'm aware, in some situations, a Llano A8 + 6670 setup will close on the gaming performance of a 7750. Better yet on a Trinity A8 or A10.


Edited by xd_1771 - 11/13/12 at 5:28pm
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^ My spin on a low budget discrete card gaming config would probably look like Schmuckley's except probably go like this:
Sapphire 7750 - $89 shipped [NCIX] steal, go for it. The 7750 outperforms a 6770 and a 550 Ti while using less power.
Athlon II x4 640 - $65 shipped [NCIX] told you all it costs less
GA-78LMT-USB3 - $60 shipped [NCIX] has even better overclocking features and AM3+ socket (and not refurbished)
AMD Entertainment 2x4GB DDR3-1600 - $30 shipped [NCIX] at this budget I would not prioritize super-magic RAM when this provides a solid DDR3-1600 enhanced timings solution for less (enabling better balance).
Corsair CX 430 V2 (by the way, this IS a V2) - $40 shipped, $15 rebate [NCIX] - Even more savings, does the job (esp. with a 7750)

Saved $6

If you're willing to forego one of the big-name PSU brands and get the Mushkin Volta 500W for $22 shipped [NCIX] - I have sources who have told me that this PSU will actually hit 80%+ efficiency with a single card setup and is quite fine internally at this price - you'll free up enough cash to bump to a 7770.


Comparing against the G850, the extra cores of the x4 640 would give you a more consistent experience in the event of multitasking. You'll want to make a serious consideration based on your games of choice, however. The lack of L3 puts the 640 behind the Phenom II and behind the 850 in many gaming tasks alone.

I would place serious consideration into approaching the A10-5800k (or 5700) + 6670 or 6570 CrossfireX setup. As far as I'm aware, in some situations, a Llano A8 + 6670 setup will close on the gaming performance of a 7750. Better yet on a Trinity A8 or A10.

Why would you recommend a APU when he can have a 7770 for that budget which will dust that APU even in crossfire? plus if he ever wants a bigger discrete GPU the APU will hold him back. APU does worse than a dual core when given a powerful GPU.

http://www.techspot.com/review/580-amd-a10-5800k/page6.html
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ok..lemme put my spin on it biggrin.gif
CPU $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332

Schmuckley, what is this CPU you're suggesting!?!?!?!? IT LOOKS LIKE A MOBO TO ME! tongue.gif

Seriously though, what was the original CPU you were suggesting? biggrin.gif


Also, I grabbed the CX430 from newegg this morning. Missed the extra $5 off from last night, but still not a bad price.


Can I ask a potentially stupid question? CPUBenchmark ranks the A10-5800k at 198, the G850 at 447, the x4 640 at 313, and the x3 450 at 399. By these numbers, the A10 seems like the clear winner in performance, yet several people have been suggesting that some of these lower ranked CPUs will out-perform it. Is this because of the integrated graphics of the A10 vs discrete GPUs? Is CPU benchmark not the end-all-be-all of PC performance referencing like I'm thinking it is, or are the overall rankings not the most important numbers to look at? This is not a challenge to anyone's skill, or meant to be an insult in any way, shape, or form. I'm just trying to sort out all of the options people are throwing at me.
Edited by Damonthenomad - 11/13/12 at 7:31pm
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^ Power efficiency and ability to provide more balance in both CPU & GPU output right away. Oh, and it's funny that between 1-9 FPS when all FPS values are already above 60FPS is a "hold back" - and on a GTX 580, a card more high-end than I would anticipate out of OP's limited budget and given his monitor size.


In the end it all depends on the OP's needs. What I wanted to do was encourage the OP to not leave it out of the solution, because it may indeed be viable.

Passmark is made up of synthetics, many of which do not matter in real-world scenarios. Look at it based exactly on what you want to do. What games do you want to play? At what settings? With what monitor size? With what multitasking expectations? What other than games?

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^ Power efficiency and ability to provide more balance in both CPU & GPU output right away. Oh, and it's funny that between 1-9 FPS when all FPS values are already above 60FPS is a "hold back" - and on a GTX 580, a card more high-end than I would anticipate out of OP's limited budget and given his monitor size.


In the end it all depends on the OP's needs. What I wanted to do was encourage the OP to not leave it out of the solution, because it may indeed be viable.


Passmark is made up of synthetics, many of which do not matter in real-world scenarios. Look at it based exactly on what you want to do. What games do you want to play? At what settings? With what monitor size? With what multitasking expectations? What other than games?

I am suprised you did not talk about the phases on the MSI FM2 board. Did the quality get better on FM2/FM1 series? Or just as bad?
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If you're willing to forego one of the big-name PSU brands and get the Mushkin Volta 500W for $22 shipped [NCIX] - I have sources who have told me that this PSU will actually hit 80%+ efficiency with a single card setup and is quite fine internally at this price - you'll free up enough cash to bump to a 7770.

I'm having second thoughts now about the PSU ordered as I would like the better GPU. Think I should cancel my order and pick this one up?
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I am suprised you did not talk about the phases on the MSI FM2 board. Did the quality get better on FM2/FM1 series? Or just as bad?

Now there's your problem, MSI are terrible at making motherboards.
 
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Now there's your problem, MSI are terrible at making motherboards.

For amd at least... I think for intel, their high end boards are ok. Which is what I use currently.......IMO
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I am suprised you did not talk about the phases on the MSI FM2 board. Did the quality get better on FM2/FM1 series? Or just as bad?

There have been no reported failure incidents on FM1 and FM2 boards. This may have a lot to do with the generally reduced power consumption on APUs vs the 125W TDP Phenom II x4 and x6 and FX-8XXX chips that burned VRMs. I don't usually post warning, though you don't find me recommending MSI on FM2 much either because there are other boards with better value (simple as that). A new design on an MSI A55 FM2 does indicate that quality may be getting better. It's $50 shipped on NCIX (or was lately) and I recommended it a couple times.

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