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There have been no reported failure incidents on FM1 and FM2 boards. This may have a lot to do with the generally reduced power consumption on APUs vs the 125W TDP Phenom II x4 and x6 and FX-8XXX chips that burned VRMs. I don't usually post warning, though you don't find me recommending MSI on FM2 much either because there are other boards with better value (simple as that). A new design on an MSI A55 FM2 does indicate that quality may be getting better. It's $50 shipped on NCIX (or was lately) and I recommended it a couple times.

I see. I dont understand why dont they just use a similar design as their intel lines. Because my mpower z77 is quite high quality.......IMO
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I agree with coverth death if u plan on upgrading later on example adding a discreet gpu get yourself something with a little more headroom! Also if u plan to overclock that apu you will probbly need the xtra watts iam assuming? These guys will NEVER steer you wrong dont worry.Make sure you post some pics of the build when u get started:thumb:
     
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^ Power efficiency and ability to provide more balance in both CPU & GPU output right away. Oh, and it's funny that between 1-9 FPS when all FPS values are already above 60FPS is a "hold back" - and on a GTX 580, a card more high-end than I would anticipate out of OP's limited budget and given his monitor size.


In the end it all depends on the OP's needs. What I wanted to do was encourage the OP to not leave it out of the solution, because it may indeed be viable.


Passmark is made up of synthetics, many of which do not matter in real-world scenarios. Look at it based exactly on what you want to do. What games do you want to play? At what settings? With what monitor size? With what multitasking expectations? What other than games?

That's a good point. However there are many more GPU's more powerful today than a GTX 580 not to mention more on the way. My reason for saying that is, you and I both know PC enthusiasts always upgrade over time, and I did not want him to be held back by a dead-ish platform without the ability to upgrade to a heavy hitter CPU like the 8350 or steamroller. he would be bound by a APU platform. This may be his starting budget but he might want to gradually upgrade as he goes.
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Whats is the performance difference between a phenom ii x4 and an althon x 4? Would it be worth it for OP to spend a bit more on a phenom ii x 4?

edit: Found a 945 for $79.97 on tigerdirect.ca. http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4615717&CatId=4431 I think it might be a non BE CPU. I dont know if it is worth it though.

IMO, I think
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Look at it based exactly on what you want to do. What games do you want to play? At what settings? With what monitor size? With what multitasking expectations? What other than games?

I want it to run emulators from NES up to PS2/Gamecube as close to how it would look on those consoles, if not better (some of these emulators have the ability to upscale graphics to 1080p), without any latency. I would also like it to be able to play most modern games (Skyrim, BF3, Batman Arkham City, etc.) on high settings getting decent FPS. Anything outside of this is not a huge concern, as this build is MEANT to be budget and perform these tasks efficiently. In the future I will be building a performance rig for audio recording, in addition to playing modern games.

With that all in mind, I'm trying to spend no more than $350 (tax+shipping included), while getting the performance mentioned above. The original build was partially designed to save money by not having to buy a separate GPU to make this happen, and largely designed on ignorance of low cost/high performance CPU/GPU combinations.

Edit: I'm using my Sony Bravia 32" LCD for a monitor
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I want it to run emulators from NES up to PS2/Gamecube as close to how it would look on those consoles, if not better (some of these emulators have the ability to upscale graphics to 1080p), without any latency. I would also like it to be able to play most modern games (Skyrim, BF3, Batman Arkham City, etc.) on high settings getting decent FPS. Anything outside of this is not a huge concern, as this build is MEANT to be budget and perform these tasks efficiently. In the future I will be building a performance rig for audio recording, in addition to playing modern games.
With that all in mind, I'm trying to spend no more than $350 (tax+shipping included), while getting the performance mentioned above. The original build was partially designed to save money by not having to buy a separate GPU to make this happen, and largely designed on ignorance of low cost/high performance CPU/GPU combinations.

I sent you a couple of PM's. Let me know what you think.
     
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I want it to run emulators from NES up to PS2/Gamecube as close to how it would look on those consoles, if not better (some of these emulators have the ability to upscale graphics to 1080p), without any latency. I would also like it to be able to play most modern games (Skyrim, BF3, Batman Arkham City, etc.) on high settings getting decent FPS. Anything outside of this is not a huge concern, as this build is MEANT to be budget and perform these tasks efficiently. In the future I will be building a performance rig for audio recording, in addition to playing modern games.
With that all in mind, I'm trying to spend no more than $350 (tax+shipping included), while getting the performance mentioned above. The original build was partially designed to save money by not having to buy a separate GPU to make this happen, and largely designed on ignorance of low cost/high performance CPU/GPU combinations.
Edit: I'm using my Sony Bravia 32" LCD for a monitor

Your gonna need more than a APU setup then. you need at least a 7770. I know I have owned APU rigs and 7770's and tons others. APU's are great but, do yourself a favor and keep a open option platform, so you have room to upgrade.
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Your gonna need more than a APU setup then. you need at least a 7770. I know I have owned APU rigs and 7770's and tons others. APU's are great but, do yourself a favor and keep a open option platform, so you have room to upgrade.

All right, I'll have to return the PSU I ordered. The 7770 needs 450W alone. +1 for the feedback, btw. I think it would be better to go the separate CPU+GPU route, especially if I can get better performance than the APU offers, plus the ability to upgrade over time.

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If you're willing to forego one of the big-name PSU brands and get the Mushkin Volta 500W for $22 shipped [NCIX] - I have sources who have told me that this PSU will actually hit 80%+ efficiency with a single card setup and is quite fine internally at this price - you'll free up enough cash to bump to a 7770.

Is this Mushkin a safe bet, or should I wait for something else?
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All right, I'll have to return the PSU I ordered. The 7770 needs 450W alone. +1 for the feedback, btw. I think it would be better to go the separate CPU+GPU route, especially if I can get better performance than the APU offers, plus the ability to upgrade over time.
Is this Mushkin a safe bet, or should I wait for something else?

As I stated, the Corsair CX would be a better way to go. If you look at that psu, it only has 20a on the 12v which roughly equals 240w. I like Mushkin products, but that one doesn't have enough juice. Also, the wattage that the manufacturers recommend is generally way overkill. You will be more than fine with a true 400w psu.
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Just a heads-up: when searching for a PSU, make sure to look at the specifications. The name of a PSU doesn't say all that much about the real amount of power it can deliver on the 12V rail. For instance. A Corsair CX500 will give you about 430W on the 12V rail. But the Corsair tx550m will give you 524W, which is almost 100W more, although the name only suggests a 50W increase.

Edit: seems Badwrench beat me to it tongue.gif
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