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I have to agree, having used both Windows 7's built in backup and Time Machine, Time Machine wins hands down. Though the system image that Windows 7 can create is handy, i've never had to rely on it yet, nor do I want to. Windows XP System Restore is not the same thing to either.

Windows 7 offers similar versioning via VSS. This is enabled when you begin backing up to an external hard drive (Previous Versions is enabled) or have system protection enabled. However its not as intelligent and the backups have to be removed manually or the backup drive will become full. And it only runs once a week vs. every few minutes in Time Machine, nor is it as intuitive.

Plus with the way OS X is you can backup most applications as well and restore from TM. I did a clean Mtn. Lion install and TM worked perfectly to restore everything including most apps.
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I'v used both and System Restore isn't the same thing at all. System Restore is just for the OS, at least by default. Time Machine is essentially full HDD cloning and versioning wrapped up into one. Every single file is backed up unless you exclude it, and any backup point can be used to restore everything on a new system. If you use Time Machine every day as I do, you end up with the ability to rollback to a clone of you hard drive from any day in the past month, or a single point in prior months without needing a drive dozens of times the size of the drive being backed up.
It's the next best thing to OpenVMS's native file versioning system. I wouldn't dream of using an OS without inbuilt versioning after getting used to both systems. Doesn't Windows 8 have it's own TIme Machine-like system? Hopefully it won't be killed in a lawsuit, but Apple and Microsoft have been doing a lot of cross licensing lately so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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Sigh, I thought they meant time machine, time machine.
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I have to agree, having used both Windows 7's built in backup and Time Machine, Time Machine wins hands down. Though the system image that Windows 7 can create is handy, i've never had to rely on it yet, nor do I want to. Windows XP System Restore is not the same thing to either.

Windows 7 offers similar versioning via VSS. This is enabled when you begin backing up to an external hard drive (Previous Versions is enabled) or have system protection enabled. However its not as intelligent and the backups have to be removed manually or the backup drive will become full. And it only runs once a week vs. every few minutes in Time Machine, nor is it as intuitive.

Plus with the way OS X is you can backup most applications as well and restore from TM. I did a clean Mtn. Lion install and TM worked perfectly to restore everything including most apps.

Not true, you can set a daily, weekly or monthly backup, plus with shadow copies you get the continuous versioning for documents etc.
Both are equally easy to setup, tho never having used either to restore files that's about as far as my experiences go.
 
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Apple patented something that they actually invented and hasn't been used by everyone else forever?
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I have to agree, having used both Windows 7's built in backup and Time Machine, Time Machine wins hands down. Though the system image that Windows 7 can create is handy, i've never had to rely on it yet, nor do I want to. Windows XP System Restore is not the same thing to either.

Windows 7 offers similar versioning via VSS. This is enabled when you begin backing up to an external hard drive (Previous Versions is enabled) or have system protection enabled. However its not as intelligent and the backups have to be removed manually or the backup drive will become full. And it only runs once a week vs. every few minutes in Time Machine, nor is it as intuitive.

Plus with the way OS X is you can backup most applications as well and restore from TM. I did a clean Mtn. Lion install and TM worked perfectly to restore everything including most apps.

The problem I have with this is, tossing Windows System Restore versus Mac Time Machine totally aside, there are still countless other backup software that do what you're describing, and came out long before Time Machine (which released in 2007 with OSX I believe?). I use ZipCloud at work which I believe is among the best online backup solutions. ZipCloud definitely lets you store multiple "screenshots" of files, I think possibly up to 10. There are dozens of others; one that springs to mind is Acronis which was founded in 2002.
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Not true, you can set a daily, weekly or monthly backup, plus with shadow copies you get the continuous versioning for documents etc.
Both are equally easy to setup, tho never having used either to restore files that's about as far as my experiences go.

doh, you're right. I have daily set up on my own work computer redface.gif got confused with another one of my users who has a very intricate backup schedule that I wont go into (involves task scheduler). Thanks for the correction. thumb.gif

I would still say recovering files via TM is more intuitive than Previous Versions/VSS since it's integrated into Finder.
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The problem I have with this is, tossing Windows System Restore versus Mac Time Machine totally aside, there are still countless other backup software that do what you're describing, and came out long before Time Machine (which released in 2007 with OSX I believe?). I use ZipCloud at work which I believe is among the best online backup solutions. ZipCloud definitely lets you store multiple "screenshots" of files, I think possibly up to 10. There are dozens of others; one that springs to mind is Acronis which was founded in 2002.

True. But in terms of built in backup functionality, Time Machine is robust, reliable, and versatile out of the box.

We use CrashPlan at work for cloud back up and it's very cost-effective. It also has versioning and unlimited data storage (my org has over 5TB with them) Cloud becomes limited when restoring large files (talking gigabytes in size), however. It's nice to have the option of off site backup, but there are its limitations. For large files it'll be the last resort.

Never really was a fan of Acronis and their products. Their backup software on one of my users' computers makes it take forever to shut down because it likes to verify the backup on her drobo unit pretty much every time (also a very large drive). I've since had her uninstall it since it might have been causing ntfs.sys BSODs.
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