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If only for the cost of the deal. Again, back to much needed fiscal reformation. Which, hate to say it, J.P. Morgan is quite qualified to help with.

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I think AMD them self would be in a better position if they never merged with ATI. Maybe today would be totally different if it never happened.

Yes and no. Without ATI, their APUs wouldn't be what they are today. The massive outward cash flow and loss of research capital from that acquisition definitely hurt them a lot more than I think the executives thought it would.
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I hope they keep making CPUs or sell/license that to someone good. It's not like VIA is giving intel any x86 competition
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post #84 of 115
I hope intel buys ATi and nVidia buys AMD. That would make for some really interesting competition.
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If IBM buys AMD, could we have x86 + VMX? that would be epic!
 
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I guess AMD better jump on the ARM bandwagon in a more significant way (not just servers).

Unfortunately, the market would become oversaturated and not benefit AMD much. The amount of money they'll need to invest into making a competition, just to have it be only on par with ARM is near pointless. What they should do, if they go the ARM route, is to make a GPU that can compete with Apple's offerings while also giving a market space like Tegra, or encouraging developers to improve their graphics capabilities with their hardware. That would help them out. It wouldn't cost them much, either, as they already have GPU designs that are faster then whatever Apple has while only consuming a smaller bit of extra power. Small adjustments, here and there, and you'll have a good competition for Android devices in the GPU sector.

Apple would become seriously butt hurt when their only hardware advantage is taking away from them.
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I really hope AMD survives. I just started looking into maybe getting AMDs cards and Crossfiring them just because their so cheap!. I used to dislike AMD, but as of recently i've realized it was just fear and ignorance because i didn't know to much about the cards.
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Unfortunately, the market would become oversaturated and not benefit AMD much. The amount of money they'll need to invest into making a competition, just to have it be only on par with ARM is near pointless. What they should do, if they go the ARM route, is to make a GPU that can compete with Apple's offerings while also giving a market space like Tegra, or encouraging developers to improve their graphics capabilities with their hardware. That would help them out. It wouldn't cost them much, either, as they already have GPU designs that are faster then whatever Apple has while only consuming a smaller bit of extra power. Small adjustments, here and there, and you'll have a good competition for Android devices in the GPU sector.
Apple would become seriously butt hurt when their only hardware advantage is taking away from them.

IDK, that 680mx is pretty sick right now...

Then again they can compete with nvidia without breaking up, yes?
 
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Knew this was on the cards
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"Selling the company is not AMD's focus"

They're simply looking at better ways to manage money. AMD processors will live even if another company buys them out - just like how ATI lived when AMD bought them out.

Yeah, they're saying its an option..Not something they're aiming to do.
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This is bad news but...

Bulldozer could NOT have caused this at all, regardless of the performance.

It must be to do with OEM deals.

EDIT:
Captain obvious!

Definitely. QFT.
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Refusing to license x86 to anyone at all no matter what doesn't sound like a deliberate business practice that seeks to dominate markets to you?

Via also has a license. Sure they are tiny, but it is still a competitor. And although the rumor says that AMD's licensing of x86 is non-transferable to anyone who buys AMD, I am betting that Intel would be fine with negotiating a license to whoever bought them.

But AMD isnt even looking at selling the company. This is just a sensational headline with massive amount of users not even looking into the matter.

I'd say it depends, if it was a company they could easily beat into submission then point at for anti-trust reasons I can see them happily loaning x86 licenses around, but if its a behemoth like IBM....yeah. Fun fact, IBM still have an x86 license for 32bit x86 and (iirc) MMX, acquiring AMD would give them 64bit x64 instructions (AMD owns those and loaned them to Intel) but not SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AVX, etc instructions, only SSE4a..which wouldn't be enough even if IBM put tonnes of money into R&D for a fast CPU.

Honestly though, if AMD does have to sell..I can see IBM buying them, but leaving them as AMD while being owned and funded by IBM with much better R&D funding among other things, I'm sure that there's a way legally to give AMD the funding from IBM while keeping all their patents, etc.
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I think this is good news honestly. It's not the name AMD that people like it's the engineers behind it and the products themselves. A big company with money like Samsung or IBM or even Microsoft could reinvigorate the talent AMD has and more importantly continue funding the stuff they are doing. As far as the x86 license it's definitely in Intel's best interest to have competition so I don't see that being a major stumbling block.

MS is a definite, Surface has proven they want to get into Hardware.
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You either have no idea how the Sherman Act works or you're trolling me. I am going to make a dangerous assumption and believe that you don't know how the Sherman Act works in the U.S.
They broke up AT&T ... if AMD falls they'll break up Intel and Nvidia in a heartbeat.

Wow, couldn't be more wrong. This applies to company's seeking a monopoly on the market deliberately. Intel cant help the fact AMD does or does not go out of business. So the government would not be allowed to sanction Intel just because their competitor couldn't manage their money. Also, Intel still would not qualify as a monopoly in the way the law describes or at least was intended.

Its absurd that you think if AMD goes out of business that Intel will be broken up. lol

Why do you think AMD is in such a bad position now? Intel was paying off OEMs, using bias in their compiler to artificially decrease performance on AMDs CPUs among other things, AMD was going fine before this, they've been in the red since then, if AMD breaks up and the government looks at Intel being a monopoly you bet they'll look at this..Intel has been convicted of it and the amount they reimbursed AMD has been regarded as pretty low by a lot of people considering the amount of lost business.
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AMD as we know it is doomed.
Their financials are shattered. It doesn't matter if they have the best bang/$ products if in pricing them as such they can't make up development costs and cover overhead.
5 years ago they had 6 billion in debt. Today they have 2 billion in debt.

They are currently restructuring and cutting costs (15% workface layoff). They are not giving up without a fight. They still have great products and valuable IP. I would not be suprised if AMD completely turned around in 2014.

Definitely.
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