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Hello, I'm new to the forums and I need some advice.
Firstly... I'm wanting to make a PC that will last me about five years. I have a 1600 Mhz , 32 GB RAM kit already, a Phantom 410, and several case fans. I have several questions regarding my build, however.

1. Considering I'm wanting my PC to last for 5 years, would it do me any good to get LGA 2011 over LGA 1155 seeing as how I'm only using it for gaming? My equipment there is as follows:

1155: Rampage V Formula // i7-3770K
2011: Rampage IV Gene // i7-3820

2. I'm getting the Hyper 212 Evo for my cooler. Is it worth making sure my board has 2 CPU Fan power headers to put it in push-pull?

3. Will I notice any negative impact using a micro-ATX board rather than a full-ATX, other than fewer expansion slots?

4. My build is as follows... any suggestions or changes would be helpful if someone sees something that can be improved upon, whether for performance or cost.

--Refurbished: ASUS PA Series PA238Q Black 23" 6ms (Gray to Gray) HDMI Widescreen LED Monitor
Item #: N82E16824236265
--EVGA Superclocked, Signature 2 02G-P4-2687-KR GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...
Item #: N82E16814130797
--SeaSonic X-SERIES X-1050 1050W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC ...
Item #: N82E16817151110
--Logitech MK120 Black USB Wired Slim Desktop Keyboard
Item #: N82E16823126097
--ASUS Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM
Item #: N82E16827135247
--COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel ...
Item #: N82E16835103099
--CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory Model CMZ32GX3M4X1600C10
-Scythe DFS123812-3000 "ULTRA KAZE" 120 x 38 mm Case Fan (5)
--NZXT Phantom 410 CA-PH410-G1 Gunmetal Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Black Trim Computer Case

And either of the above board/CPU combos dependent upon which would be better
I thank you all in advance for your assistance, and hope to have my questions answered.
post #2 of 12
There is negligible performance difference in games between a 3770k and a 3820. I would go with the 3820 if you want to upgrade your CPU in five years because there will be ivybridge-e available. For gaming however, a 3770k should still be able to hold up five years from now if games utilize HT more and you overclock it to ~4.4. The only downside is that the 1155 platform is dead. The 3820 offers little overclocking ability.
So I would get the 3770k if you want to overclock and don't plan on getting Ivybridge-E, and I would get the 3820 if you want to upgrade your processor in a few years.

A micro-atx will not have significant performance drops other than cooling ability for the VRMs and southbridge.
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post #3 of 12
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Thanks for the assist, however, one question is left unanswered... would it be worth ensuring my board has 2 processor fan headers to use a push-pull combination on the Hyper 212 Evo? I think I can get the 3820 to 4.8 without a problem, and I know Ivy Bridge E is out this coming year... but... that's a big thing for me because the push or push-pull determines the board I purchase. Thank you!!
post #4 of 12
Push pull will give you more cooling performance, but the difference is typically around 5C or so. So not a huge difference. And it depends on the cooler, not all of them benefit from push/pull as much.

212 evo is good for a budget, but this doesn't seem like a budget build. I'd recommend something like the NH-D14 or the Silver arrow, the 212 is a very good cooler but those are some of the best air coolers available. SB-E puts out a ton of heat, and Ivy bridge benefits greatly if you can keep it cool.

I don't think motherboards come with two fan headers specifically for the CPU, but there will be other others on the board. Typically 4-5 headers total. You can either use two headers or a splitter for the CPU header. You can also use a fan controller, the phantom comes with a basic one built in I believe.

An SSD is also nice, but the tech advances so quickly it might be wise to wait a bit if you want one.

There are no issues with mATX other than expansion slots and ports/features. But if you're getting a phantom 410, it supports atx and atx will give you more options for the future. If there isn't a huge price difference there's no reason not to go atx, unless you want a smaller case.
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as for the socket typme, im still not sure whats happening with the expandability of 1155. but the 3770k is a much better option for gaming since very little games will use more than 4 cores. as for the cooler i would highly recommend the Noctua NHD-14 i had one on my i5 750. overclocked it to 3.8 Ghz @ 1.35 vCore and mid 70 temps at 100% load in prime. and i didn't have the 120mm Rad on the heatsink i was using it as an exaust . but if you did go with the option of the NHD-14 it comes with a splitter to install both heatsink fanns to 1 CPU header and they preform amazingly! i'm sure most top of the range air coolers come with a splitter these days?no?
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post #6 of 12
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The only reason I was thinking of the 2011 socket is because I was unsure how much of a benefit the extra PCIe lanes would be. I've been looking at both the Noctua and one MaxPC suggested, the Phanteks, which runs about 5 degrees cooler than the Noctua. The CPU fan header question was raised because I've seen boards with 1 and I've seen boards with 2. For me, the indecision on the two boards is 40 PCIe lanes and quad channel RAM vs overclockability and feature set. If the 40 lanes isn't a big deal, then so be it. At end of life of my board I'm expecting to have 2 680's SLI'd together on the system, and if the extra lanes wouldn't be a boon to that then there's no need for me to use 2011. I appreciate everyone's help, and if what I've said clarifies anything, more input is always great! Thanks!!thumb.gif
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If your looking at coolers the Noctua d14 is actually better. If you look into other OCN threads votes are going out as more OCN members are preferring a D14. The advantage over the phanteks is the 120/140 mm fans. Which actually saved me cause my ram wouldn't have fit if i had 2 140mm fans. Plus the D14 comes with a Y splitter to the 3 pin cpu header. Which will free up having to splice them or run the second fan off another header.
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well if you are purely gaming i would go 3770k, if you do rendering or video editing go for 2011. ivy - e will be on 2011 but haswell will be coming out at the same time on the new LGA 1150 boards which i will be upgrading to if the performance is significant enough. but cooler wise +1 for the noctua and if you have issues with RAM hight. just rotate your cooler around and have the hairflow going up and out the roof. you don't want to chuck all your CPU heat onto your GPU D:
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post #9 of 12
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Okay... new build as follows:

Open Box: ASUS PA Series PA238Q Black 23" 6ms HDMI Height,Swivel,Pivot & Tilt adjustment LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor
Item #: N82E16824236201R

EVGA Superclocked, Signature 2 02G-P4-2687-KR GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...
Item #: N82E16814130797

SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD ...
Item #: N82E16817151102

Orange KBC2408SB Black USB Wired Ergonomic Keyboard
Item #: N82E16823233002

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116992

Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler
Item #: N82E16835608018

SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256B/WW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #: N82E16820147164

Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
Item #: N82E16819116501

ASUS Maximus V FORMULA LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
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Grand Total: $1,904.61
post #10 of 12
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And I already have my Phantom 410, 5 Scythe Kaze case fans and a Corsair Vengeance 4x8GB 1600 kit.
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