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That's like asking Windows Phone 8 to be installable on Android phones. Completely unreasonable.
Unreasonable but I wouldn't rule it out. I wouldn't doubt if someone from the XDA Developers forums gets a custom ROM working on a more popular android device, like the Galaxy SIII.
Edited by JRuxGaming - 11/22/12 at 10:29pm
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Unreasonable but I wouldn't rule it out. I wouldn't doubt if someone from the XDA Developers forums gets a custom ROM working on a more popular android device, like the Galaxy SIII.

I have yet to see any phone get the cross-platform treatment besides the HTC HD2, which I personally own and have done a dual-boot Windows Phone 7 and Android setup. And the HD2 wasn't even that popular.
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I have yet to see any phone get the cross-platform treatment besides the HTC HD2, which I personally own and have done a dual-boot Windows Phone 7 and Android setup. And the HD2 wasn't even that popular.
I still think if you were to request it from a phone that is more popular someone would figure out how to do it eventually. It's only a matter of time til someone does it.
post #34 of 46
1) It's snappy due to fresh install

2) It should use less ram, making it a bit snappier

3) Placebo effect, we want new things to be better so we perceive them as better.

There's probably more points to this, though you do have to think about the OS being developed for tablets. A small footprint was one of the major goals for that to happen, now that doesn't always equate to performance but it can help.
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It feels snappier because its a fresh install. People compare the feel between their 3 year 7 installation, and a brand new 8 installation. No surprise 8 feels snappier, biased testing.


I don't know... I like to format my hard drives every few months because I do like the feel of a fresh crisp windows install. So I doubt I'm only one who does. I'm willing to bet a lot of these win7 vs win8 tests are actually fresh installs of both OS.
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1) It's snappy due to fresh install
2) It should use less ram, making it a bit snappier
3) Placebo effect, we want new things to be better so we perceive them as better.
There's probably more points to this, though you do have to think about the OS being developed for tablets. A small footprint was one of the major goals for that to happen, now that doesn't always equate to performance but it can help.

3) is dead wrong. Others, like me, hated win 8 and installed it cause we had to. I had heard how bad win8 is and it was nothing like the complaints people said. Boot time dropped by a 1/3rd, amazingly snappy, games ran smoother and not a single crash. Personally i have no understanding how anyone can say anything really negative besides "i dont like it". I mean almost every complaint about win8 has been debunked over and over and over.
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1) It's snappy due to fresh install
2) It should use less ram, making it a bit snappier
3) Placebo effect, we want new things to be better so we perceive them as better.
There's probably more points to this, though you do have to think about the OS being developed for tablets. A small footprint was one of the major goals for that to happen, now that doesn't always equate to performance but it can help.

1. I went from a one week old Windows 7 install to a Windows 8 install. Windows 8 is faster.
2. It's definitely less bloated, how much less, I have no idea. Plus since it is based on Windows 7, all the performance tweaks Microsoft made to 7 overtime are already present in 8.
3. I was more than prepared to go back to Windows 7 if my 8 upgrade was rubbish. I gave 8 consumer preview a try and had a lot of performance issues, so, I was actually pleasantly surprised how well Windows 8 worked. I figured $40 was a small price to pay for a brand new operating system. I haven't had any issues.

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Then why does everyone (even Windows 8 opponents) that use Windows 8 says it feels snappier, if it has so much "bloat" as you say?
Also, those kinds of things (responsiveness) is usually not quantifiable. What is quantifiable is that Windows 8 actually does use less RAM and runs better on less RAM than Windows 7. The other quantifiable stuff is GFLOPs and FPS and things like that, and an OS is not going to improve the performance of a GPU or a CPU by 25%.


Serious question - how can you say that responsiveness isn't quantifiable? It seems to me that it's the most quantifiable thing imaginable since what you're looking for is a quicker response time and all you need to do to quantify that is ... time whatever you're doing? Time startup and shut-down and compare. Time applications loading and compare. Etc. Am I missing something?
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Serious question - how can you say that responsiveness isn't quantifiable? It seems to me that it's the most quantifiable thing imaginable since what you're looking for is a quicker response time and all you need to do to quantify that is ... time whatever you're doing? Time startup and shut-down and compare. Time applications loading and compare. Etc. Am I missing something?

Startup and shutdown isn't really an option as they make this OS over time that's going to change. Even updates may change that as they tweak the process. All that does is tell you how long X services (might) take to start, which unless you get under the hood and optimize could be a random time each reboot. You have no idea how they do their start up, is it parallel?

Quicker response time could be as easy as speeding up the animations, still doesn't tell you which one of those is faster as animation times are EXACTLY THAT. Animation times. Press the start menu, it is a pre-set animation with a specific time. A slower computer may not handle that, but with computers today it is very hard to tell if what you experience is lag or the wait for the animation to finish.

I could go on and on as to what bullox people believe all in the name of perception. I'd go by synthetic benchmarks but I've come to the conclusion that most operating systems today are generally transparent. You don't see a huge difference in hard tasks because the OS doesn't really determine the task per se. Though in that sense, just re-building the kernel and tweaking that has some (minor) advantages that you should see every "new" opsys from MS. If you wanted to see an honest overhaul you would have to give up a ton of compatibility support for old code. That would send a lot of people in a tissy though so I'm betting you won't see much improvement from opsys to opsys from MS until they decide to do something that drastic.

[edit] I added might in the service startup because if it isn't truly parallel than one service could be waiting on X amount of other services to start. This compounds things as more services get added or manipulated. I'm also pretty sure that it isn't parallel so any benchmarks with this would just tell you things about your computer. Not really about the software, as you would have to have identical setups including HDDs being done perfectly. You get a minute amount of lag from reading the disc and that could equate to multiple services starting slower due to the wait on that one core service. So I go back to saying, startup/shutdown times are really moot unless you have things controlled really well. [errr forgot] SSDs should negate this but there are other problems still with having the startup not being parallel.
Edited by mushroomboy - 11/25/12 at 5:41pm
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I honestly haven't noticed any appreciable performance increase out of Win8 compared to 7 besides boot times which are significantly improved.
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